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re: Why does the left get so triggered when secession is brought up?
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:25 am to LSUconvert
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:25 am to LSUconvert
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Because the systemic issues that red states perpetuate create significantly more poor people without any upward movement potential?
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Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:30 am to EKG
Tyvm EKG. I am going to read that. I’m a Texan and have done a lot of my own research on the subject of Texas succession but there are so many variables it’s hard to wrap my head around. If you have any more recommends I’d love to read more about it.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:39 am to bhtigerfan
So what currency are you going to use?
The dollar? The Euro or the yuan? Who says that the divorce is amicable? Hint: if this went through and you want the gold standard, you might be shocked to find that the red states don't have gold to back it up. So now , hello fiat currency....and that is just the beginning of problems presented by your quixotic quest. Should I dust off my confederate dollars?
This is a ridiculous proposition floated by disgruntled fools who will not be satisfied even with a "divorce" once the realities of said divorce set in. This ranks up there as one of the dumb propositions floated out.
The dollar? The Euro or the yuan? Who says that the divorce is amicable? Hint: if this went through and you want the gold standard, you might be shocked to find that the red states don't have gold to back it up. So now , hello fiat currency....and that is just the beginning of problems presented by your quixotic quest. Should I dust off my confederate dollars?
This is a ridiculous proposition floated by disgruntled fools who will not be satisfied even with a "divorce" once the realities of said divorce set in. This ranks up there as one of the dumb propositions floated out.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:41 am to KiwiHead
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This is a ridiculous proposition floated by disgruntled fools
How are lesser populated nations like New Zealand sustainable?
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
Hell belgium is smaller than mississippi
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:42 am to bhtigerfan
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First, tell me how these cities are going to feed themselves without these red areas.
By easily conquering/buying the red states.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:43 am to bhtigerfan
Jackson also offered to go down South and personally hang secessionists himself.
Bad comparison
Bad comparison
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:46 am to Don Johnson
quote:Bring it bitch.
By easily conquering/buying the red states.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:49 am to burger bearcat
They wont be happy losing the tax revenue.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:51 am to ReeseBobby
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If you have any more recommends I’d love to read more about it.
No problem, Tex.
I believe Qvortrup’s (above cited) publication will become one of the seminal works in the literature on this topic. It’s available online and well worth the $9.99 list price.
Two downloads you can access immediately: (1) Robert Murphy (Mises Institute) - COMMON SENSE: The Case for an Independent Texas, and (2) Tom Woods (Mises Institute) - National Divorce: The Peaceful Solution to Irreconcilable Differences (ebook)
A few additional publications in which you may be interested:
Miller, Daniel - Texit: Why and How Texas Will Leave The Union
Buckley, F. H. - American Secession: The Looming Threat of a National Breakup
Dragland, Scott - Let My People Go: Why Texas Must Regain Its Independence
Kreitner, Richard - Break It Up: Secession, Division, and the Secret History of America's Imperfect Union
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
It really is not and is heavily dependant on trade agreements with Australia that essentially dictates financial policy to the Kiwis and the Kiwis have no real choice in that realm.
Plus they were never actively trying to separate from a larger entity.
Plus they were never actively trying to separate from a larger entity.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:58 am to EKG
You do realize that Texas does not exist without interference from Americans. The federal government basically started Texas back in the 1820's despite the fact that Mexico owned the place.
Don't get me wrong Texas is so much better off not being Mexican, but it thrived by being American and having New York bankers bankroll oil exploration after Spindletop.
Don't get me wrong Texas is so much better off not being Mexican, but it thrived by being American and having New York bankers bankroll oil exploration after Spindletop.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:05 am to KiwiHead
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So what currency are you going to use?
Will Texas have its own currency? - Texas Nationalist Movement
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When a nation-state first gains independence, in the absence of its own currency, it usually declares, unilaterally, the currency that is common to the region as its official currency. This is called an informal currency union. In the early days of independence, doing so provides for economic stability as consumers and businesses can continue to transact business in exactly the same way as they always have.
Where the U.S. dollar is concerned, its status as an international reserve currency has made it attractive to countries that have no desire to adopt their own currency. Many self-governing countries even allow the U.S. dollar to circulate freely in addition to their own currency.
According to a 2014 article on the website Quartz:
“The US dollar is the most widely used currency in the world, with many countries employing it as an accepted alternative to their own currency. But some have simply adopted the currency as their own, notes and all, in what is known as “dollarization.” They don’t have control over the currency—only the Federal Reserve in Washington sets monetary policy.”
To be clear, this can be done without the blessing of the United States, as it has been in Ecuador, East Timor, El Salvador, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau, Turks and Caicos, British Virgin Islands, and Zimbabwe.
If Texas wanted to have a say in monetary policy and still use the U.S. dollar, it would have to negotiate a formal currency union with the United States. Formal currency unions are common in the world; in fact, there are more than 20 official currency unions throughout the world. While a negotiated currency union with the United States would be desirable, the terms under which such an agreement could be executed likely would not give Texans any more control over monetary policy than we have now.
The most likely scenario is that Texas will adopt the U.S. dollar as its official currency in the immediate aftermath of a TEXIT vote to encourage stability while seeking a negotiated currency union with the United States. Depending on the terms of any negotiated agreement or in the absence of one, Texas will want to explore moving toward a currency of its own as soon as possible. Given the lack of long-term financial stability in the United States due to the exploding national debt, a Texas currency should come sooner rather than later.
Additionally, I’d point you to the aforementioned book by Qvortrop. Chapter 6 (The economics of becoming a new country) explores this issue in depth—particularly beginning on p.145, “The currency issue: Monetary policy for a newly independent country.”
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:07 am to Houag80
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It's very simple. They want to control you and your issue into perpetuity.
Exactly this. The thought of people living happily without them angers them. They will have us accept their worldview by force, if necessary.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:13 am to KiwiHead
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You do realize that Texas does not exist without interference from Americans.
Maybe. Maybe not, There’s no way to know that. But without a doubt, the US played a pivotal role in Texas history.
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The federal government basically started Texas back in the 1820's despite the fact that Mexico owned the place.
That’s not entirely accurate.
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Don't get me wrong Texas is so much better off not being Mexican, but it thrived by being American and having New York bankers bankroll oil exploration after Spindletop.
I’ve never come across anyone who disputes that fact.
The current discussion about Texas reasserting itself as an independent nation is about what’s happening now, not what transpired 200 years ago.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:15 am to EKG
East Timor, Marshall Islands, El Salvador, Palau Micronesia and Zimbabwe.....
Name me some countries that are economic basket cases
Name me some countries that are economic basket cases
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:15 am to bayoudude
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Hell belgium is smaller than mississippi
Exactly.
Iceland somehow makes it, Norway, Sweden, Finland... Yet Texas talking secession is foolish?
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:19 am to KiwiHead
You asked a question; I answered.
One can only draw comparisons to the data we have.
There are many huge issues to be faced once Texas becomes independent; currency is far down the list of concerns.
One can only draw comparisons to the data we have.
There are many huge issues to be faced once Texas becomes independent; currency is far down the list of concerns.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:20 am to burger bearcat
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Why does the left get so triggered when secession is brought up?
The left wants to run the country and they want the right to pay the bills.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:40 am to VADawg
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The left wants to run the country
I'm for letting Texas go. But its a clean cut.
Not one federal dollar goes into Texas:
No Social Security;
No SS Disability;
No military retirement;
No federal retirement;
No VA Disability money;
Close all 15 federal military bases in Texas;
Remove all federal military equipment from Texas and relocate that equipment to states on Texas border;
Defund the Texas National Guard and remove their federal military equipment;
No federal welfare, Section 8, remove all federal programs aimed at Texas;
Blockade all Texas ports and port facilities, and interstate highways, until Texas cuts a check for all federal investment/improvement in the State of Texas that will benefit Texas financially;
Close all federal offices/facilities (non military) in Texas;
Remove any federal protection extended to lending institution customers in Texas;
Remove any federal lending programs currently in Texas;
Texas cuts another check for all federal land (including minerals) in Texas;
Texas also gets billed for the removal of federal equipment, military and non military.
So its going to be expensive, I would also expect a massive brain drain from educated people that see the folly.
And everything has to be be paid in USD, the rest of us dont want any of that worthless Texas script.
ETA: And the most important thing, if a Texas resident wants to visit the United States you must have a Passport issued by the United States on your person at all times. Texans must also wear a T device prominently displayed on their clothing while in the United States.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 11:50 am
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