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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:24 pm to slinky225
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:31 pm to alphaandomega
Does have a small home range. If you provide all of their nutritional needs in a small area, they will set up shop and increase in numbers. Bucks don't like to share space with does so you run the risk of having a "doe hotel" with a small number of bucks residing on the same property. I didn't do a great job of shooting does this year as it was pretty much just me hunting. We've killed as many as 10 does in a year on 290 acres and didn't see any decrease in numbers the following year. I plan on harvesting 8-10 does next year.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:18 pm to Bayou Ken
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I didn't do a great job of shooting does this year as it was pretty much just me hunting. We've killed as many as 10 does in a year on 290 acres and didn't see any decrease in numbers the following year. I plan on harvesting 8-10 does next year.
How is that going to solve your problem if it didn’t the last time?
I just don’t understand how that philosophy works. So what if you have bucks during the summertime? They will split up come October. Bucks are territorial and typically you don’t get a bunch of bucks living in one small area during the winter/breeding season. Only way I can see that working is if you have 290 acres of thick stuff and they bed on you for the most part and not your neighbors. Are you not planting cool season plots either? What is the difference if you are?
Best bet is to get your doe numbers down by killing them and convince your neighbors to do the same.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:27 pm to slinky225
I’m going in next week to disc about 6-8 acres and leave it alone.
I’m going to let the native legumes and forbs grow naturally which will produce up to 2000 pounds per acre of food.
All it will take is a days worth of work.
I’m going to let the native legumes and forbs grow naturally which will produce up to 2000 pounds per acre of food.
All it will take is a days worth of work.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:44 pm to Shabath227
Have you had good luck with this? I always heard that this method was used more in the fall.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:31 am to Butkus51
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used more in the fall.
Fall burning/disturbances tend to be better for Forbes and spring tends to be better grasses, they say. Another thing is that just because something “can produce up to 2,000lbs/acre” doesn’t mean it will. Look at it this way, it “could” produce 2,000lbs/A, but vetch “could” produce 6-8,000lbs/A.
Where I do this, I do it in the fall and I don’t plant them in fall plots either.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 4:12 pm to Butkus51
It’s best to do it in November, but it also works late winter. Fall discoing tends to produce about 70 percent return of forbs and legumes where late winter is closer to 60 percent.
We did it in 3 years ago in early may at my Dads place in southern Missouri. Ragweed, pokeweed and others grew very aggressively. The deer ate them just as aggressively.
I’ve been in discussions with a wildlife biologist with Mississippi Wildlife and Fisheries. His boss along with Dr Craig Harper are the ones who proved the percentages stated above.
Yes, vetch and soybeans produce more poundage per acre but they also cost quite a bit to plant and fertilizer properly. This method is free, minus fuel and time.
As for burning, it’s usually late summer from everything I’ve read and been told by the biologist. His recommendations are for me to burn in July. I’m going to start that this year in my old field areas.
We did it in 3 years ago in early may at my Dads place in southern Missouri. Ragweed, pokeweed and others grew very aggressively. The deer ate them just as aggressively.
I’ve been in discussions with a wildlife biologist with Mississippi Wildlife and Fisheries. His boss along with Dr Craig Harper are the ones who proved the percentages stated above.
Yes, vetch and soybeans produce more poundage per acre but they also cost quite a bit to plant and fertilizer properly. This method is free, minus fuel and time.
As for burning, it’s usually late summer from everything I’ve read and been told by the biologist. His recommendations are for me to burn in July. I’m going to start that this year in my old field areas.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 4:58 pm to slinky225
Try some sunhemp. Has a lot of protein helps amend the soil
Posted on 2/25/23 at 5:19 pm to Shabath227
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As for burning, it’s usually late summer from everything I’ve read and been told by the biologist. His recommendations are for me to burn in July.
Is it not too dry to burn in late summer?
I burned my place last spring prior to anything greening up
Posted on 2/25/23 at 6:03 pm to bbvdd
My biologist says historical burn for my area in Mississippi is mid summer.
I’m primarily going to be burning old fields to help produce the quality food.
As far as too dry, it’s actually been too wet the last two summers. June/July in 2021 was 3-4 Rains per week and it was the same in July/August of 2022.
I’m taking advantage of the Mississippi burn Management certification class next month. I’ve done quite a few late winter burns in my life with family/friends, but I want to make sure I have all the proper training.
I’m primarily going to be burning old fields to help produce the quality food.
As far as too dry, it’s actually been too wet the last two summers. June/July in 2021 was 3-4 Rains per week and it was the same in July/August of 2022.
I’m taking advantage of the Mississippi burn Management certification class next month. I’ve done quite a few late winter burns in my life with family/friends, but I want to make sure I have all the proper training.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 8:15 am to bbvdd
Natural fire historically took place when it was driest. Mimicking Mother Nature is never not a good option.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:10 am to plazadweller
Some pine but mostly hardwood. My place is in extreme north MS. A few miles from the state line.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:04 pm to slinky225
Look into hinge cutting instead. Create cover and plenty of browse.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:21 am to slinky225
So many saying vetch. It is high in protein, and browse tolerant. The issue with it is that much of it is not digestible. Very fibrous plant. If you don't have the acreage to plant soybeans (not very browse resistant at all, but very high in protein with the vast majority of it being digestible), then alyce clover is the clear winner. High protein, browse tolerant, and high in digestibility.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 4:35 pm to Fratigerguy
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much of it is not digestible.
Need a link backing that up.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 5:36 pm to Fratigerguy
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So many saying vetch. It is high in protein, and browse tolerant. The issue with it is that much of it is not digestible
That’s not true at all:
Deer association
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The overall nutritional quality of jointvetch is excellent, with crude protein exceeding 20 to 25 percent and acid detergent fiber (ADF) below 25 percent, meaning it is highly digestible.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:54 pm to bbvdd
While I don’t trust a thing the NDA says and don’t want to click that link for fear of benefitting them in some way, I do plan to plant some vetch for the first time this year.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:16 pm to bbvdd
You should never burn pines in the summer. The sap will catch on fire and literally cook the inside of the tree. I’m going to burn when the gum trees start to bud out. Hoping the fire will kill them off and knock them back.
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