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re: White House preparing for major narrative shift: sudden deaths = Long COVID, not the vaxx.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:21 pm to Flats
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:21 pm to Flats
quote:I can’t figure out how many times his authortarian narrative master have to be wrong before he stops trusting them.
I give you reasons for distrust that you don’t even dispute, and you still come in with the “yeah but….”
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:21 pm to Flats
They're human institutions - "from the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing was ever made".
Institutions can and do act for their interests and against the public interest and it's a legitimate problem determining how to act in a world that this is the case.
I agree with you.
They also act in the public interest. To not believe so is to not believe history.
You've got to sort out the right balance of trust and distrust, right?
Institutions can and do act for their interests and against the public interest and it's a legitimate problem determining how to act in a world that this is the case.
I agree with you.
They also act in the public interest. To not believe so is to not believe history.
You've got to sort out the right balance of trust and distrust, right?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:22 pm to TigerDoc
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And a lot of the reasons for distrust are acquired through a tribal epistemology - people aren't generally "doing research" when they come by new information - they're feeding rationalizations at their priors
That's the biggest dose of hopium I've ever seen anyone take. 100% pure projection.
You're a true believer and not capable of critically analyzing the subject.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:26 pm to Taxing Authority
I mean, it’s entirely possible the media is tarting up cardiac event stories and over reporting them. I’m open to that.
But it’s the same media that was over-whelmingly pro-vaccine, and supportive of mandates etc. If they are hyping this up—it’s a huge shift in slanting of stories. Possible. But haven’t seen any other huge shifts.
But it’s the same media that was over-whelmingly pro-vaccine, and supportive of mandates etc. If they are hyping this up—it’s a huge shift in slanting of stories. Possible. But haven’t seen any other huge shifts.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:26 pm to TigerDoc
quote:Big governments work for big government’s best interest. Once you realize that, the correct “balance” becomes obvious.
Institutions can and do act for their interests and against the public interest and it's a legitimate problem determining how to act in a world that this is the case.
I agree with you.
They also act in the public interest. To not believe so is to not believe history.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You're a true believer and not capable of critically analyzing the subject.
Yes, You're getting it! We're not capable of critically analyzing the pandemic.
We are capable of choosing networks of trust based on how well-structured the epistemic community is and learning to defer better. What people are doing here sharing memes, posts, and anecdotes isn't as reliable as what science is doing.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:28 pm to TigerDoc
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Yes, You're getting it! We're not capable of critically analyzing the pandemic.
You're not. Don't give a shite who "we" is.
I mean, youre still the one person here who is 100% in on Russian Collusion despite it blowing up in your face.
You're too biased to be objective about anything.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:30 pm to TigerDoc
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You've got to sort out the right balance of trust and distrust, right?
It's not so much a balance as it is determining which topics they can still be trusted about. I may still trust the AMA when they say I need a colonoscopy, because there isn't much history of that being politicized. That earns them zero trust when it comes to covid; the two aren't related.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Even if I am biased, does it change what the scientific consensus says?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:32 pm to TigerDoc
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as what science is doing.
You're doing it again; attempting to use "science" as a power word that shuts down dissent. "Science" is a method, and it doesn't "do" jack shite. Scientists do things, then makes claims about those things.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:32 pm to TigerDoc
Serious question:
How does your oath work with doctors that abort tiny humans?
How does your oath work with doctors that abort tiny humans?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:34 pm to roadGator
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How does your oath work with doctors that abort tiny humans?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:34 pm to Flats
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It's not so much a balance as it is determining which topics they can still be trusted about. I may still trust the AMA when they say I need a colonoscopy, because there isn't much history of that being politicized. That earns them zero trust when it comes to covid; the two aren't related.
This is common and understandable and this sort of thing affects my priors too. All sorts of facts get morally entangled and roped into being justified by tribal epistemology and we can end up with blind convictions and get stuck with beliefs we'd be better off getting rid of.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:35 pm to Flats
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It's not so much a balance as it is determining which topics they can still be trusted about
The biggest lobbies in the nation are medical related. The entire system is like herding cattle, systematic and impersonal.
Go to 4 doctors, you'll get wildly different results. Its pretty amazing.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:38 pm to TigerDoc
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All sorts of facts get morally entangled and roped into being justified by tribal epistemology and we can end up with blind convictions and get stuck with beliefs we'd be better off getting rid of.
Which is why the medical industry made a monumental mistake when it morphed into a political movement. Misleading the public has consequences.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:38 pm to Flats
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You're doing it again; attempting to use "science" as a power word that shuts down dissent. "Science" is a method, and it doesn't "do" jack shite. Scientists do things, then makes claims about those things.
Good, Flats! Science isn't just a method, though, but a wide range of methods within communities organized in particular ways that help it improve the reliability of its observations about the world and decrease all sorts of cognitive biases and social effects that distort our observations about the world. I use "science" as a shorthand for that.
You're right that the people involved in it are less trustworthy than it is.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:39 pm to David_DJS
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Which is why the medicinal industry made a monumental mistake when it morphed into a political movement
Follow the money.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:41 pm to TigerDoc
quote:Which consensus? There’s a population that says it’s related. Theres a conensus in thst community There’s a population that says absolutely not related. Consensus i that community too.
Even if I am biased, does it change what the scientific consensus says?
Do we determine truth by who has the most votes? That’s not science.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Go to 4 doctors, you'll get wildly different results. Its pretty amazing.
What are you seeing 4 different doctors for? Surely nothing mental health related …
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:42 pm to David_DJS
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Which is why the medicinal industry made a monumental mistake when it morphed into a political movement. Misleading the public has consequences.
It's a massive industry with motives that are both humanitarian and public-interested as well as capitalistic and self-interested. It's what neoliberal capitalism has created and it presents a problem for credibility in public health even as it's powerful AF at producing knowledge and tech.
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