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JPSO used facial recognition technology to arrest a man. The tech was wrong.

Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:03 am
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:03 am
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But a recent attempt by the Jefferson Parish Sheriff’s Office to nab a high-end purse thief via facial recognition ended badly for a Georgia man who was jailed for almost a week over a false match, his lawyer says.

A detective took the algorithm at face value to secure a warrant to arrest Randal Reid, 28, in the June theft of luxury purses from a Metairie consignment shop, attorney Tommy Calogero said.

A Baton Rouge Police Department detective then adopted JPSO’s identification of Reid to secure an arrest warrant alleging he was among three men involved in another luxury purse theft the same week at a shop on Jefferson Highway, court records show.


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Local police pulled over Reid on Nov. 25 as he drove on Interstate 20 in Dekalb County, Georgia, headed to a late Thanksgiving celebration with his mother, he said.

They told me I had a warrant out of Jefferson Parish. I said, ‘What is Jefferson Parish?,’” Reid said. “I have never been to Louisiana a day in my life. Then they told me it was for theft. So not only have I not been to Louisiana, I also don’t steal.”

Reid was booked into the DeKalb County jail as a fugitive but was let go on Dec. 1, a jail official said. Calogero said JPSO detectives “tacitly” admitted the error and rescinded the July warrant.


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Sheriff Joe Lopinto’s office did not respond to several requests for information on Reid’s arrest and release, the agency’s use of facial recognition or any safeguards around it.


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Baton Rouge police also did not respond to questions about its warrant for Reid’s arrest.


Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:05 am to
Is it less reliable than an eyewitness?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84172 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:05 am to
My man is about to get slapped with the meaty dick of qualified immunity.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:08 am to
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Is it less reliable than an eyewitness?


Good question.

Eyewitnesses are pretty unreliable.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:10 am to
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Is it less reliable than an eyewitness?
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Good question. Eyewitnesses are pretty unreliable.

Indeed.

This technology simply assisted them in finding a potential suspect. Apparently, he was cleared.

The interesting question is whether an arrest warrant should’ve issued based solely upon the facial ID algorithm. I would argue against the validity of that procedure
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 10:16 am
Posted by NineLineBind
LA....no, the other one
Member since May 2020
8403 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:11 am to
Eyewitnesses can renege or be cross-examined. Will this always be possible with algorithms?

Now who has been opening my phone?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116606 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:14 am to
We still can't make lie detectors that work. The best ones get it right in controlled tests 60% of the time. 50% can be achieved by flipping a coin.
That's why they aren't allowed as evidence in court.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:17 am to
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We still can't make lie detectors that work. The best ones get it right in controlled tests 60% of the time. 50% can be achieved by flipping a coin.
have you watched “the Recruit?“

“How valid is a test that can be affected by clenching your sphincter? Clinched! Unclench!“ (As the needle bounces across the printer page.)
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 10:18 am
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10721 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:20 am to
I watched a cop show in the last year where they arrested a black man based on this same technology.

In the show, the technology was found to be faulty with a much higher fault rate for black men than others.
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
13000 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:30 am to
I have found that those who are invested in time and or money into both facial recognition and lie detector testing will claim the technology is a lot more accurate than it really is.

Posted by bizeagle
Member since May 2020
1274 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:30 am to
It is understandable to have an algorithm search through a database of photos for potential matches but to serve as the basis for an arrest warrant is over the top. Multiple confirmations must be made or the state will run rough sod over people. What if the guy resists and gets shot dead by authorities? Does machine code swear out arrest warrants now? What photos are searched, driver licenses? Why does Dekalb county Georgia roll over on such a weak case?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116606 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:35 am to
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have you watched “the Recruit?“ “How valid is a test that can be affected by clenching your sphincter? Clinched! Unclench!“ (As the needle bounces across the printer page.)


Haven't seen it. I had personal experience in the 70s with pulse and breathing. Then in the 80s I studied the 'new improved' voice detection but it was only marginally better.

The tests were simple. The operator would ask questions that the test subject would know but the operator did not:

Q: 'What is your date of birth?'
A: 'March 2, 1970'
Q: 'Machine says truth.'
A: 'It's false. It's March 3, 1970'

The test subject would alternate telling the truth and lying and the machine was horrible.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10468 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:43 am to
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a high-end purse thief



the hell is this?
only purse snatching from cliche white woman the "onoxioulsy rich looking" woman from 1980's movies?

Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
79622 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:43 am to
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Eyewitnesses can renege or be cross-examined. Will this always be possible with algorithms?


You would need a software engineer to attack the algorithms.

Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
3519 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:53 am to
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Why does Dekalb county Georgia roll over on such a weak case?
simple. 2 reasons. they want La to do the same and great way to pad their stats for future promotions.
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 11:01 am
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:56 am to
All involved in this arrest need to be imprisoned.
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