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re: Where did this version of JD5 disappear to?

Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:13 am to
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:13 am to
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Low risk.



he is a very risk averse QB. he doesn't throw it if he's not confident it's a 100% sure thing.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:16 am to
After four years as a starter he is what he is. Do not look forward to it changing. If LSU has plans to win championships, it must get a much better QB.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:16 am to
On the last one you can see he waits for the receiver to be open, then hitches it resulting in an underthrow and much more difficult catch. The second to last one was horribly off target, no?

Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13084 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:19 am to
I don’t know. It’s almost like that interception he threw in the Arkansas game just destroyed any trust he had previously built up in himself and receivers.

Hopefully he can shake it.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:24 am to
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On the last one you can see he waits for the receiver to be open, then hitches it resulting in an underthrow and much more difficult catch. The second to last one was horribly off target, no?



agree to all of that but the point is he was at least attempting to throw it deep. the last two SEC games, all that went away and LSU became much easier to defend with no downfield passing threat.
Posted by 33inNC
Charlotte, NC
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:31 am to
You know what I see? The same old shite, but he actually throws the ball. Look at the last one, he waits for the guy to break open to throw the ball and makes it a hard catch. If he throws it on time, then it is an easy TD catch.

I see why the WRs are frustrated, as they are getting open and not getting the ball on time, then getting blamed for it.

JD is who he is. Step up Walker Howard and take this position in the spring.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:35 am to
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Step up Walker Howard and take this position in the spring.


so walker howard who hasn't started a single game is going to unseat a veteran jayden daniels? I don't see it but I know that walker howard is the future and daniels is a stop gap.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:37 am to
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agree to all of that but the point is he was at least attempting to throw it deep. the last two SEC games, all that went away and LSU became much easier to defend with no downfield passing threat.
The last 3 are the best examples of that, and I don't see any help nearby to affect his decision.

Likewise with the last couple of games he was faced with two linebackers floating over the middle of the field. That eliminates the slant like in the 3rd gif as he just doesn't make the decision fast enough to get it in there. Once you take the middle out like that the 2 deep safeties can play wider and tighter.

Especially against Arkansas, once the LB's established the middle of the field they started sending one on a rush, yet he still acted like they were in short coverage. I think he has a huge issue with seeing movement downfield. By the end of the game Arkansas was sending both linebackers.

If I didn't know that LSU staff didn't already check it, I would think that JD just has bad eyesight and needs Lasik.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:38 am to
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Held the ball WAY TOO long on the first gif. Way.Too.Long.

That is who he is. He is unable to process the information in a timely manner. Just cannot do it.





^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:42 am to
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I think he has a huge issue with seeing movement downfield


agreed 100%. he also questions what he's seeing I feel like. overthinking and then gets into his own head. I really feel like a lot of it is purely mental with him. he does revert back to bad habits when he feels pressure. I hope i'm wrong, but I feel like he'll have the most rushing attempts against georgia.
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:48 am to
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CBK called the UF and Bama games.


I have not ever noticed a game where JD did not have open receivers to throw to. People can complain about Denbrock all they want, but the game plan and play calling has never been the problem. The issue has always been will Daniels actually see and throw it to the open receiver
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Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:53 am to
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People can complain about Denbrock all they want, but the game plan and play calling has never been the problem. The issue has always been will Daniels actually see and throw it to the open receiver
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but, but but

MUH DENBROCK!





Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
29056 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:55 am to
Has anyone done a good post-Mortem of JD in the ATM game yet? I’ve been away last couple of days Were the receivers just that well covered or was he just not getting it done?
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:59 am to
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He is unable to process the information in a timely manner. Just cannot do it.

He can. He has, he just stopped doing it.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:15 am to
He's a HC. He has many responsibilities. Denbrock is one of the highest paid OCs not to suck and he sucks. He's right. The scheme doesn't fit JD's strengths plain and simple. BK absolutely called the offense. Go back and look at it he has a play call sheet. Reality of the situation is Denbrock needs to go. While a lot of the scheme is part of what BK wants, there's not enough execution to it despite the open WRs. JD is never comfortable in it. When BK called it he melted defenses. Coincidence? I don't think so.

While yes, JD is accountable here Denbrock is also a problem. Scheme is perfectly fine when he has a capable QB. Do you want an OC who's one of the highest paid who can adjust his scheme to player strengths or a guy who just runs a scheme until he can find someone to run it properly?

This board is absolutely stupid to give up on JD. Some adjustments and for him to progress mentally if you get JD all next year in OP's post he's a heisman contender QB. Defenses would have no answer for a true dual threat. His progression and a few elite portal players is the difference between contending for a NC or not in just year 2 of BK's regime.

"4 years is who he is". That's what this board says. Burrow struggled his Junior year until the last few games he finally matured. His Junior year was his 4th year. Senior 5th with a complete transformation. JD already showed he has heisman-like gift if he can stay consistent. Development is not linear, he can change here to next season. His problems seem to be mental to me which impacts just about all his negative flaws. For some reason he lacks confidence at times.

When BK called the offense, he understood JD's strength was his feet and making quick decisions without overthinking. When the offense is ran like this he thrives. LSU should be more balanced in the running attack especially since his legs allow the RBs to thrive even more. There's many times this season where LSU is gashing the shite out of defenses with JD/RBs and Denbrock abandons the run for no reason at all. And no, it's not because they're up 14 points or w/e. He's just that fricking clueless at times. Square peg meet round hole. Doesn't allow confidence in a QB unless they already have it. No rhythm calls to make a QB confident early. I really do not like Denbrock.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 10:29 am
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:21 am to
Oh. Well, OK then. Nothing to worry about in the upcoming SECCG.

Thanks.

Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:25 am to
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The scheme doesn't fit JD's strengths plain and simple.




they run shite just for him all the time man. passes and runs. edge plays.

WTF are you watching?

so completely stop calling downfield routes because he sucks at it? no pocket plays at all?

sure. see how that does if you think it is bad now with spies and squatters on short routes.



Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:26 am to
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Oh. Well, OK then. Nothing to worry about in the upcoming SECCG.



u r dealing with classic football ignorance and deep emotional ties to JD5.
Posted by belowmebama
Member since Jul 2008
7308 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:27 am to
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That JD has been missing since Bama. We need him back.


JD needs that JD back.

When he let it rip and appeared to just react more, he was damn near in the running for the Heisman. He could have made himself MILLIONS if he were able to continue that type of play. Hopefully someone along the way can instill in him that the position requires CALCULATED risks. A 50/50 ball to a one on one matchup isn’t the same as trying to force a ball into double/triple coverage. An INT in both scenarios is looked at differently.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:28 am to
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Were the receivers just that well covered


yeah like in all games


oh wait
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