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You know, if you are concerned about Russian aggression you trade with them.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:02 am
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:02 am
Become their customer but maintain a strong military then Russia has no incentive to invade or harm their customers.
Europe wants what Russia can provide. Cheap energy among many other commodities. In turn Europe can lower the manufacturing cost of stuff like their cool cars and boats and sell back to Russia and the rest to the world.
A solid trade relationship with Russia is the path to peace. Not isolation.
Europe wants what Russia can provide. Cheap energy among many other commodities. In turn Europe can lower the manufacturing cost of stuff like their cool cars and boats and sell back to Russia and the rest to the world.
A solid trade relationship with Russia is the path to peace. Not isolation.
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:04 am to GumboPot
Europe tried that. America said no and eventually blew the pipeline.
American foreign policy is first and foremost to NOT allow an independent Europe out from under their boots.
American foreign policy is first and foremost to NOT allow an independent Europe out from under their boots.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:07 am to Seneca
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American foreign policy is first and foremost to NOT allow an independent Europe out from under their boots.
This is the essence of the problem and the barrier to peace with Russia.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:09 am to GumboPot
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This is the essence of the problem and the barrier to peace with Russia.
Exactly. America is a rogue terrorist state - and nobody on the supposed GOP will say it.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:13 am to GumboPot
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You know, if you are concerned about Russian aggression you trade with them.
This was the plan. Russia doesn't play nicely.
That's why the real conflict with Ukraine is the EU, not NATO. Russia doesn't want a Ukraine becoming stronger via legitimate, open trade (via the EU). Russia wants dominion over Ukraine, b/c that's how Russia operates.
Russia was offered integration into the new world for decades and didn't exactly join up. Hence why some (on this very board) see them as an enemy of "globalism".
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:27 am to Seneca
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Exactly. America is a rogue terrorist state - and nobody on the supposed GOP will say it.
Thank God.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's why the real conflict with Ukraine is the EU, not NATO. Russia doesn't want a Ukraine becoming stronger via legitimate, open trade (via the EU). Russia wants dominion over Ukraine, b/c that's how Russia operates.
But isn't it really the eastern states in Ukraine that are/were in internal conflict with Ukraine and wanted to join Russia? "That's how Russia operates" is not a real incentive. You have 4/5 states and one country that want to join together with opposition from Ukraine and the West.
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Russia was offered integration into the new world for decades and didn't exactly join up. Hence why some (on this very board) see them as an enemy of "globalism".
You get hung up on the terms and ridged definitions of "globalism" or "nationalism" but the entire point it to make moves that are in best interest of your country. If you make a beneficial move for your country that falls into the definition of globalism, who cares? Also if you are making a beneficial move for your country that falls into the definition of nationalism, again who cares?
No one is keeping a globalism/nationalism score card. Countries should make moves that benefit said countries regardless of how the move is labeled.
That goes back to my OP. Europe trading with Russia benefits all parties not named U.S.A. War Machine and likely cools things down in Ukraine.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:36 am to GumboPot
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but the entire point it to make moves that are in best interest of your country. If you make a beneficial move for your country that falls into the definition of globalism, who cares? Also if you are making a beneficial move for your country that falls into the definition of nationalism, again who cares?
Do you think Russia is currently making moves that are in the best interest of their country? They may think they are but I think Putin has made a terrible miscalculation.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:38 am to Powerman
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Do you think Russia is currently making moves that are in the best interest of their country?
Do you think America is?! Or Europe who will fricking freeze?
We aren't in control of our governments. The bankers are.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:40 am to GumboPot
If goods don't cross borders, soldiers will.--- Frédéric Bastiat
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:41 am to RollTide4Ever
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If goods don't cross borders, soldiers will.--- Frédéric Bastiat
And Mexicans.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:57 am to GumboPot
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Become their customer but maintain a strong military then Russia has no incentive to invade or harm their customers.
How did that work for the Ukraine?
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:01 am to BigJim
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How did that work for the Ukraine?
Do you just forget the Maidan coup, not allowing votes in the Eastern districts, years of violence against the Donbass population??
Educate Yo Self
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 10:02 am
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:09 am to GumboPot
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A solid trade relationship with Russia is the path to peace. Not isolation.
You would think do, but Russia messed things up and was suspended from the G7 when they invaded Crimea.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:11 am to doubleb
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You would think do, but Russia messed things up and was suspended from the G7 when they invaded Crimea
Yet we remain after invading Iraq....
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:13 am to Seneca
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Yet we remain after invading Iraq....
We didn’t invade Iraq on our own. We did it with the other countries.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:15 am to GumboPot
Such was the case for 35-40 years until it was OMB win and a democrat loss
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:19 am to Seneca
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Europe tried that. America said no and eventually blew the pipeline.
What??? Europe was doing that and ended up getting fricked when Russia turned off the gas before they likely blew the line.
Russia is a mafia nation that can never be trusted.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:20 am to GumboPot
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That goes back to my OP. Europe trading with Russia benefits all parties not named U.S.A. War Machine and likely cools things down in Ukraine.
That’s ridiculous. Trading with Russia is no different than trading with China, India, France or anyone else. If they have goods at a good price that you need then it’s good to trade with them.
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 10:24 am
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:22 am to cwill
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What??? Europe was doing that and ended up getting fricked when Russia turned off the gas before they likely blew the line.
Russia is a mafia nation that can never be trusted.
Ramblings of a lunatic. That you, Bill Kristol?
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