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Came across a disturbing groomer anecdote in recent Harris County poll

Posted on 10/17/22 at 1:35 pm
Posted by Lou Pai
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 1:35 pm
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Was trying to check on data in a recent poll of Harris County (Houston) and came across this (pg 4 in pdf):

Do you believe libraries in Harris County should have sexually explicit materials and other books of a sexual nature available to minors?

Yes / No / Unsure

All: 32 / 48 / 19
Rep: 22 / 69 / 9
Ind: 32 / 43 / 25
Dem: 42 / 35 / 24

Nasty people



Separately, this poll was done by a conservative outfit, so I'm not sure if this skews the results (Beto looks to be skewed negatively for the county), but Mealer is supposedly leading Hidalgo right now
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 1:37 pm to
The real question is why do 22% of the GOP want sexually explicit books available to minors?

We already know the left is the party of groomers so that is to be expected. Actually surprised their numbers are as low as they are.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

The real question is why do 22% of the GOP want sexually explicit books available to minors?

You took the words out of my mouth
Posted by Lou Pai
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 1:40 pm to
Agree, but an overwhelming majority of democrats don't oppose it (Yes or unsure). Truly the party of groomers.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

Do you believe libraries in Harris County should have sexually explicit materials and other books of a sexual nature available to minors?


Minors...does than mean available to anyone under age 18? How is sexual nature and explicit defined ? I got most of my books from the library as a teen in the 90's and some of them (like Stephen King)had some pretty explicit parts in them but I never thought of the sweet librarian lady as a groomer.
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

I got most of my books from the library as a teen in the 90's and some of them (like Stephen King)had some pretty explicit parts in them but I never thought of the sweet librarian lady as a groomer.


You can bet your last dollar that if that sweet librarian lady had known some of the things in those Stephen King books was there, you wouldn't have been getting them from the library.
Posted by 3nOut
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

The real question is why do 22% of the GOP want sexually explicit books available to minors?

You took the words out of my mouth



i'd like to see the exact question, unless what's listed in the OP is it verbatim.

i'm trying my best to make sure that my kids aren't exposed to porn or casual sex as much as possible.

do i want my kids exposed to sexually graphic material?

no.

am i going to lose my mind if they see the casual boob?

no.

do i want them to see the casual boob?

no.
Posted by Arch of Titus
Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

The real question is why do 22% of the GOP want sexually explicit books available to minors?


Have you met the Log Cabin Republicans?
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

You can bet your last dollar that if that sweet librarian lady had known some of the things in those Stephen King books was there, you wouldn't have been getting them from the library.



i started Pillars of the Earth in my 20s and never finished it and returned it to the library.

bought a copy recently and holy crap it's graphic about sex for something written in the 80s.


i don't think those or stephen king books should be removed by any means, but they shouldn't be available for children, and sure as hell shouldn't be in a k12 library.
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

i don't think those or stephen king books should be removed by any means, but they shouldn't be available for children, and sure as hell shouldn't be in a k12 library.


I think one of the issues is the definition of "minor". Does "minor" encompass all kids under 18?

Regardless, groomer literature shouldn't be available to anyone. Ever.
Posted by 3nOut
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:12 pm to
quote:




I think one of the issues is the definition of "minor". Does "minor" encompass all kids under 18?

Regardless, groomer literature shouldn't be available to anyone. Ever.


correct. and i think there's a large difference between a descriptive sex scene in a book in a public library and a book called "GenderQueer" that actually illustrates a kid giving a blowjob in a k12 library.

we shouldn't HAVE to call out what's obviously grooming, but because the right says "hey i don't want my kid to have access to a book where they can see a dude giving another dude a blowjob," it leave open the left's attack of "they want to burn books!"
Posted by 19
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:15 pm to
My route to work from Magnolia takes me within eye-sight of a "Harris Cnty Line" sign.

And every time I look at it I say "Thank God."
Posted by Texaggie96
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:26 pm to
I would consider groomer literature to be stuff like NAMBLA. Is anyone actually suggesting libraries carry that shite?

Posted by 3nOut
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

My route to work from Magnolia takes me within eye-sight of a "Harris Cnty Line" sign.

And every time I look at it I say "Thank God."




my BiL lives in unincorporated Harris County. his only interaction is HaCo sheriff.

hopefully Mealer is giving Hidalgo the boot. losing Matress Mack and the Chronicle is pretty telling.
Posted by efrad
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:27 pm to
The question is too ambiguous. Respondents are making assumptions based on their positions.

In the late 90s, I took sex ed in 7th grade in Louisiana, when I was a minor, and we saw sexually explicit content. My conservative parents had to sign off on it, which they did. I didn't see anything wrong with that.

That is NOT the nature of the insane shite they are putting in libraries now, though. But that is not reflected in the question. The respondents are going to answer the first thing they assume, so the lefties are assuming the question is related to those puritanical nasty Republicans trying to keep kids from having any idea what sex is until after their 18th birthday, and right-wingers are going to assume we're talking about drag queens and grooming. Which these days, we probably are.
Posted by 3nOut
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

I would consider groomer literature to be stuff like NAMBLA. Is anyone actually suggesting libraries carry that shite?




This is one of the main books that caused controversy they want removed - NSFW


having that available to anybody under 18 is indefensible.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

I would consider groomer literature to be stuff like NAMBLA. Is anyone actually suggesting libraries carry that shite?



A couple months ago I pirated and read the book 3nOut posted above to see what all the fuss is about.

You would be shocked what they are trying to normalize to children.
Posted by Bass Tiger
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:36 pm to
22% of Republicans said yes to sexually explicit materials in our schools? The 22% that call themselves Republicans are the ones that voted Groomer in 2020...guaranteed!
Posted by Texaggie96
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

This is one of the main books that caused controversy they want removed - NSFW


having that available to anybody under 18 is indefensible.


I would agree based on that picture alone that this book has no place with children. Who is suggesting it should be in the children's section?

FYI, the children's section is usually 15 and under type books, I don't think libraries really have a "restricted" section where you have to show ID in order to get access to materials. Is this a new thing?

Honestly, I don't really want the library policing material, it's not really their job to restrict/allow access to reading material. That's the parents job in my opinion.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

I would agree based on that picture alone that this book has no place with children. Who is suggesting it should be in the children's section?




This book is one of the biggest controversial books in school libraries.

I did a search for it and this was the first hit: Illinois high school librarian promotes controversial graphic novel 'Gender Queer' on TikTok

but school libraries all over the country have been carrying it, including in places like Texas and Virginia.

quote:

That's the parents job in my opinion.


If we were talking general public libraries I'd be more inclined to agree. These are school libraries; the state mandates school attendance and not all parents can afford private school.
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