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Clinton Sock Drawer Case
Posted on 9/23/22 at 12:09 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 12:09 am
With the Clinton sock drawer case as precedent, why is this shite show carrying on with President Trump?
They ruled that Clinton declassified the tapes by the action of taking them home.
Is it just (D)ifferent?
They ruled that Clinton declassified the tapes by the action of taking them home.
Is it just (D)ifferent?
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Posted on 9/23/22 at 12:19 am to DotBling
No one has picked on anyone more than Trump. Sad they do this.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 12:21 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:30 am to DotBling
quote:thats not even close to right. read the decision for yourself.
They ruled that Clinton declassified the tapes by the action of taking them home.
1. at no point were the tapes ever classified. they were interviews with his biographer, not state secrets.
2. y'all have got to stop torturing yourself with this idea that things can be declassed with no formal act. they cannot.
let's say trump took home a top secret doc on our nuclear capability. if that were now declassified just by leaving the oval office, anyone could file a FOIA and then read that exact same top secret doc on our nuclear capability. the idea of that is insane beyond words.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:33 am to BlueHeeler
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y'all have got to stop torturing yourself
Says the people that torture themselves by hoping they finally got him this time!
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:35 am to BlueHeeler
what you probably mean to cite here is Judicial Watch v. National Archives and Records Administration, specifically this part
thats what people like Solomon and Posobeic keep tweeting. they want you to think the President can just declare things as personal and then go home with them. what they leave out is the rest of that sentence (while glossing over the first part)
this is about separating personal items from Presidential records, not declaring them. thats all it is. its about filing. read the first part again, thats what they mean, how things would be filed at NARA.
the President does not get to decide which is which. the same decision makes it perfectly clear that what is personal and what is Presidential is defined in the PRA, its not just whatever the President wants
quote:
"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion..."
thats what people like Solomon and Posobeic keep tweeting. they want you to think the President can just declare things as personal and then go home with them. what they leave out is the rest of that sentence (while glossing over the first part)
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"...the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion, so the Deputy Archivist could not and did not make a classification decision that can be challenged here.
this is about separating personal items from Presidential records, not declaring them. thats all it is. its about filing. read the first part again, thats what they mean, how things would be filed at NARA.
the President does not get to decide which is which. the same decision makes it perfectly clear that what is personal and what is Presidential is defined in the PRA, its not just whatever the President wants
quote:
The PRA distinguishes Presidential records from “personal records,” defining personal records as “all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.” Id. § 2201(3)
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 3:50 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:39 am to BlueHeeler
The point of the ruling is that the president has the authority to determine what is personal and what is official record.
Of course, anyone with the ability to use reason knows this is a political witchhunt. Clinton decided what was a personal record. Obama still keeps classified records and sued to prevent turning documents over to the national archives. Only with Trump did the DOJ get involved, a DOJ that prioritizes political persecution over protecting children that are being molested.
Of course, anyone with the ability to use reason knows this is a political witchhunt. Clinton decided what was a personal record. Obama still keeps classified records and sued to prevent turning documents over to the national archives. Only with Trump did the DOJ get involved, a DOJ that prioritizes political persecution over protecting children that are being molested.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:41 am to shoelessjoe
quote:ok dude. but next time you get all pissed off because declassifying doesn't work the way you think it did, just remember that you chose to believe the wrong thing because its what you wanted to hear, not because it had any basis in reality.
Says the people that torture themselves by hoping they finally got him this time!
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:46 am to TenWheelsForJesus
quote:dude.
The point of the ruling is that the president has the authority to determine what is personal and what is official record.
what the frick.
no.
look up one post.
I literally just quoted the ruling making it perfectly clear that what is personal and what is Presidential is defined in the PRA, its spelled out, it is not whatever the President wants.
quote:
The PRA distinguishes Presidential records from “personal records,” defining personal records as “all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.” Id. § 2201(3). The PRA provides that “diaries, journals or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Governmental business” should be treated as personal records. Id. § 2201(3)(A).
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 3:51 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 5:41 am to BlueHeeler
Who gives a shite about documents? This whole thing is dumb as hell.
It's just another lame attempt from dipshit leftists to keep his name off the ballot.
I don't care what documents and president has.. dem or rep.
And if dems are so secure in beating him in 2024, why do they not want him to run?
It's just another lame attempt from dipshit leftists to keep his name off the ballot.
I don't care what documents and president has.. dem or rep.
And if dems are so secure in beating him in 2024, why do they not want him to run?
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 5:42 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 5:53 am to DotBling
quote:
Is it just (D)ifferent?
Yes.
Stop asking
Posted on 9/23/22 at 5:55 am to BlueHeeler
Clinton was in violation considering the tapes pretty much recorded everything, including actions taken as the president. They weren’t just tapes of him and Monica shmoozing, which wouldn’t be in the course of his job.
You are failing hard on this one.
You are failing hard on this one.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 5:57 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 6:07 am to BlueHeeler
quote:
ok dude. but next time you get all pissed off because declassifying doesn't work the way you think it did, just remember that you chose to believe the wrong thing because its what you wanted to hear, not because it had any basis in reality.
I have a feeling, since you have been on the wrong side of the got him now series, you are the one that will be pissed off again!
Posted on 9/23/22 at 6:40 am to BlueHeeler
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BlueHeeler
First of all- I am sorry I accused you of being texshidder's alter the other night. You actually attempt to use logic and reason. You're still apparently a lefty shill, nonetheless, but at least a little deeper thinker than the shidder.
Pleasantries aside, the arguments over whether something is a presidential vs. personal record under the PRA, or whether it is classified/declassified vs. MARKED classified and not turned over for a subpoena, have been overly-semantical. The arguments have been employed to enflame and shape public sentiment. All within months of a midterm election.
In other words: classic Weisman-esque LAWFARE.
All former POTUS possess classified material- in their noggins and otherwise. Obama had sensitive information in an unsecure warehouse and Clinton next to his skivvies crusted with his intern's bodily fluids. Before 3 years ago, would anyone have expected a full-blown mobilization of the federal law enforcement to retrieve. Hell no.
Don't be naïve and act that this is standard by-the-books prosecution. It comes w/n months of a midterm election with huge consequences and amounts to effectively the 10th attempt to sack, in D.C.'s mind, the most dangerous threat to its existence. Ever.
This is lawfare. Not law enforcement.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 6:44 am to DotBling
Things like this is the reason why I think none of this stuff against Trump will go to court because, as some say, "discovery is a bitch."
Posted on 9/23/22 at 6:58 am to BlueHeeler
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BlueHeeler
Number of Posts: 23 Poli Board posts
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Registered on: 9/21/2022
Welcome aboard! Way to jump right in.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 6:58 am to BlueHeeler
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thats not even close to right
That is correct.
quote:
. at no point were the tapes ever classified. they were interviews with his biographer, not state secrets.
That is unknown. They may have held state secrets but the president didn't classify them.
The issue was someone wanted the national archives to take control of them.
The court decided the national archives does not have the power to cladding documents as presidential when the former president declared them personal.
But this is very important.
quote:
y'all have got to stop torturing yourself with this idea that things can be declassed with no formal act.
And here we just turned to ignorant.
If the president does, they can.
When a government organization wants to declassify something, it has to go through a formal process.
The president is the only one who can unilaterally declassify anything.
quote:
if that were now declassified just by leaving the oval office, anyone could file a FOIA and then read that exact same top secret doc on our nuclear capability. the idea of that is insane beyond words.
Well he can also classify documents as well. So no.
You seem to not understand the power of the president.
It's a thing among liberals who want biden to rule with an iron hand against his political opponents.
Look, Obama has numerous to secret documents among the documents he took when he left office.
The fbi is aware. They don't care. Every former president takes some top secret documents when they leave office among the millions of documents they take.
Never had been a problem.
The issue here isn't that they were top secret at first. The issue was that the national archives wanted them.
Only they can't take them. So they got the fbi involved and now they grabbed everything.
Really horrible performance by the department of Justice.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 7:59 am to DotBling
Thats (D)ifferent
Posted on 9/23/22 at 8:21 am to DotBling
quote:
They ruled that Clinton declassified the tapes by the action of taking them home.
Uh no
A private litigant could not force NARA to go get something it did not have and had no authority to get.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:24 am to Decatur
It's funny how you dumb fricks keep twisting this. You are retards.
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