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A little confused by Gervase's decision to go pro

Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:48 am
Posted by asullivan12
Many, LA
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:48 am
I am not sure what the statistics are for 12th rounders making the big leagues, but I bet it is pretty small. Minor leaguers dont get paid shite. And if you never end up making the big leagues, I am not sure why foregoing your senior year in college is really worth it, especially when we will be chasing a natty this next year.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:49 am to
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And if you never end up making the big leagues, I am not sure why foregoing your senior year in college is really worth it


Can't know this until you try. May end up great for him, may not. IF he's ready to start the grind toward the bigs, who are you to tell him he shouldn't?
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:50 am to
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Can't know this until you try. May end up great for him, may not. IF he's ready to start the grind toward the bigs, who are you to tell him he shouldn't?

Posted by RGJ18
Collierville, TN
Member since Feb 2010
9181 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:51 am to
It's also a huge risk that these guys take to not go when drafted. And every year that goes by they lose leverage. I don't blame any of them for starting their pro career.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 8:51 am
Posted by LSUcajun77
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2008
23531 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:51 am to
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Gervase's decision


This.

Whatever it is, he’s happy with it.
Posted by asullivan12
Many, LA
Member since Nov 2015
1913 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:52 am to
but if it were a 5th, 6th, or 7th round, I think I would understand, but 12 seems farther out there.
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10840 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:53 am to
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I am not sure why foregoing your senior year in college is really worth it,


Because after your senior season, you have ZERO leverage when it comes to a signing bonus - especially if you are selected in the later rounds.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
287946 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:53 am to
12th Rd for a relief pitcher would not be all that unique to make the bigs.

His signing bonus this year will be at least $125k

His signing bonus next year would be like $25k-$50k.

If he returns another year, he would enter the draft as a 23yr old. That’s just old, and you miss a key year of establishing yourself with your professional team.
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8697 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:54 am to
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I think I would understand, but 12 seems farther out there.


He’s betting on himself. I hope nothing for the best for him.
Posted by LSUcajun77
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2008
23531 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:55 am to
But really, he should have check with tRant first.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
45907 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:55 am to
Ask yourself 2 questions: What development is he going to get in college that he wont get in the Mets organization next season while he's also getting paid to play? How much higher is his draft stock likely to get after one more season as a reliever in college? Be honest and remember, he is forgoing a season of income if he comes back to school. He's also going to be a 23 year old rookie.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 8:59 am
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:58 am to
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And every year that goes by they lose leverage


this right here, used to be even worse, the pro's approach to a senior used to be pretty much, here's the money, take it or leave it, where else are you going to go?"
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:59 am to
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I am not sure what the statistics are for 12th rounders making the big leagues, but I bet it is pretty small. Minor leaguers dont get paid shite. And if you never end up making the big leagues, I am not sure why foregoing your senior year in college is really worth it, especially when we will be chasing a natty this next year.



The problem is you dont understand how the draft works.

This is Gervase's last year with leverage. It wouldnt matter if he balled out and got drafted in say the 6th round next year, his signing bonus even there wouldnt be more than what he's going to get in the 12th round this year with leverage to return to college still. In fact it would probably be peanuts. Kevin Kopps went in the 3rd round last year and got a gift getting half his slotted bonus amount with no leverage. More often you see seniors with no leverage going in like the 6th round and signing for $7500, $1000 or $30k despite slot values there being $250k-$300k.

When you have no leverage to return to college (or go to college as a high schooler), you sign for way under slot. Bottom line, this is why Gervase is taking what he can now. Which will be at least $125k, but probably $200k-$300k since he has leverage as well.

Not a single 23-25 year old (where Gervase would be) last draft signed for ANYWHERE close to the slot value in the Top 10 rounds. Many were $1k-$30k, a fraction of their slot value.

You can see that here

To close up, where you are drafted means absolutely nothing. You have guys who were round 2-3 talent going in the 17th, 18th, 19th rounds yesterday due to signability issues.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 9:07 am
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16774 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:03 am to
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I am not sure what the statistics are for 12th rounders making the big leagues, but I bet it is pretty small.

He’s still the same player. Let’s say he were to come back and go next year in the 8th round, do you think his chances of making the big leagues would somehow drastically improve?
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Minor leaguers dont get paid shite.

This is true. And if he were to come back and lose his leverage he’d probably get paid even less.
Posted by LSUcajun77
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2008
23531 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:04 am to
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thunderbird1100


Good post.

If OP is still confused after your post, it’s a lost cause.
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:07 am to
It’s his choice and I respect it. He could also come back and blow out an arm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88019 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:07 am to
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But really, he should have check with tRant first.



duh, could have saved himself a lot of dilemma
Posted by Sir Fury
Member since Jan 2015
5024 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:10 am to
Sometimes you have to take a chance on yourself in order to live your dream.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60585 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:12 am to
If anyone should go as a 12th round pick it is Gervase, he is a wild card. I would be curious as to what they project him doing....at the very least he could be a very effective situational guy. He may be a heck of a closer or mid guy out of the pen. Hell he may develop into a starter. But he needs to go ahead and get in the league and see.
Posted by MEd LSU
Member since Dec 2018
3687 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:06 am to
Were you ever drafted?

Didn’t think so!

So you just talking out your rectum!
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