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re: BREAKING: Texas Republicans Call for TEXIT Vote with 90% in Favor

Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by rooster108bm
Member since Nov 2010
2918 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:10 pm to
quote:

And while you’re at it, explain to me how/why the Republic of Texas couldn’t enter into trade agreements with other countries.

Not arguing; just interested in your thoughts.




I think a pretty valid point was made above about everyone but russia and china refusing trade. Now does that work as well against a region or against one state?

How do you think trade is gonna go with other states still in the union?
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
9592 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:11 pm to
You talk a lot without evidence....other than your mouth.
There are quite a few posters on this site that I daresay....know more than you; however, they choose to keep their opinions close to the vest.
Stop talking. Listen.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44119 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:14 pm to
Texas Weazel, for the record … as pro-TEXIT as I am, I hear you loudly and clearly.

I attend multiple TEXIT meetings each week—with speakers from BREXIT, Québécois, the Scottish Nationalist Party, Calexit, New Hampshirite, Hawaii, and several other pro-sovereignty groups.

Amongst them, Texas could not only survive, it would automatically become one of the world’s strongest powers.

That’s not what we seek, but it is what it is.

All any of us want is to give the people of Texas a vote on sovereignty.

If they vote No, we’ll continue our campaign for as long as it takes.

If they vote Yes ….
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
11851 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:16 pm to
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To make matters worse, we would likely get blacklisted by the EU and the rest of the western world for going renegade.

You are probably right but it would be hilariously hypocritical in the wake of slava ukraini!

By the time this would happen Europe might be so desperate for energy that they will take it from anyone, however.
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
Member since May 2022
3067 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:18 pm to
Got a lot of family in TX, just got off the phone with them, and they’re clearing out a room for me.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
73173 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:18 pm to
quote:

You realize Texas has all that, and then some?


Beautiful Galveston Beach huh?
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
22034 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:22 pm to
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I promise you the Dems will say, "Adios," because they know without Texas' EC delegates, they can run roughshod over the rest of the country in national elections.
You think if TX actually leaves that a bunch other states wouldn’t try to follow? Especially states that share a border with TX or contiguous with other states attempting to leave?
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44119 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:24 pm to
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How do you think trade is gonna go with other states still in the union?

In the past, a few people on this site became very angry with me for not making it clear that I’m referencing my answers from the Texas Nationalist Movement website. They’re my people, and I stand by their positions.

So I want to be clear: I’m a *very* active member of the TNM organization. Take my words accordingly:

quote:

Trade is the major issue that has the clearest path to resolution with the United States and it is one of the most important. International trade is a major driver of the Texas economy. In fact, Texas exports products to virtually every country in the world with total value of exports to just the top 25 totaling between $225 and $285 billion every single year. These are just the figures for products that originate in Texas and doesn’t include imports that flow through our ports and travel across our roads every day. Trade is major.

It is important to examine how trade works between Texas and the rest of the States and then see if there is a fair path to approximate that relationship now that gives Texas some control over the situation.

Currently, Texas is restricted in external trade by the prohibitions on States in Article 1 Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution, fully vesting that authority in the U.S. Congress. Consequently, States have little to no control over the flow of goods and services across their borders and there are certainly no trade tariffs between the States. Within the United States, member States have tariff-free trade and a singular external trade policy. Not accounting for the common currency, this economic relationship between the States is the textbook definition of a customs union. Some would argue that the United States is a fully integrated economic union, but the States retain a large degree of control over their individual fiscal policies, meaning that the United States is not a true economic union.

It is important to note that, other than the United States, there are 13 other customs unions around the world comprising virtually all of Central America, South America, nearly all of Europe, and portions of the old Soviet Union, and major blocs of countries in Africa and the Arabian Peninsula. In these customs unions, independent self-governing countries conduct trade in the same way as the States of the United States without being in a political union.

The clearest and easiest way to ensure that there is absolutely no disruption of trade between the U.S. and an independent Texas is for the two to enter into a customs union, but as equals. Anyone who thinks this would be unusual or far-fetched simply doesn’t understand the way trade works. Most people believe that the only free trade agreement the U.S. is a part of is the multilateral North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. It’s not. The U.S. also has free trade agreements with Australia, Bahrain, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Israel, Jordan, Korea, Morocco, Nicaragua, Oman, Panama, Peru, and Singapore, all of which have a smaller GDP than Texas.

A negotiated trade agreement between Texas and the U.S., either through a customs union or a free trade agreement, would ensure continued tariff-free trade between the two. Any agreement should ensure continued access to rail lines, airports, seaports, and highways for the transportation of goods.

If the negotiated agreement is a customs union, the work is done. If, however, the U.S. or Texas opts for a free trade agreement instead, Texas would retain the freedom to pursue bilateral or multilateral trade agreements with any other nations without restriction. That includes negotiating trade agreements with countries that already have free trade agreements with the U.S., ensuring a continuity of trade policy.

In the event that Texas and the U.S. fail to come to terms, Texas could still trade with the U.S. using standard World Trade Organization tariff schedules and trade rules that have already been agreed to by the U.S. In short, Texas could take the tariff tables submitted to the WTO by the U.S., scratch out its name, write in ours, and submit it. This again leaves Texas the freedom to hammer out its own trade policies and trade with every country in the world, much like we are already doing, with one exception?it will be on our terms. In short, no matter how trade negotiations go with the U.S., Texas will be just fine.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
9142 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:26 pm to
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You think you have your own power grid but you are a net importer of electricity.


In 2011 from Mexico.

There are some sectors of the state that are not tied into the TIS.

We can connect to other grids through DC ties (Transmission lines)

TIS is exclusive to Texas.

I work for the largest providers in the state.
Posted by rooster108bm
Member since Nov 2010
2918 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:36 pm to
quote:

In the event that Texas and the U.S. fail to come to terms, Texas could still trade with the U.S. using standard World Trade Organization tariff schedules and trade rules that have already been agreed to by the U.S. In short, Texas could take the tariff tables submitted to the WTO by the U.S., scratch out its name, write in ours, and submit it. This again leaves Texas the freedom to hammer out its own trade policies and trade with every country in the world, much like we are already doing, with one exception?it will be on our terms. In short, no matter how trade negotiations go with the U.S., Texas will be just fine.


Oh yeah. Hows that working for Cuba and Venezuela?
Posted by rooster108bm
Member since Nov 2010
2918 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:37 pm to
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I work for the largest providers in the state.


So. You are still a net importer of electricity.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44119 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:42 pm to
rooster108bm, you’re a straight-forward person; someone I think I’d like.

Help me out: Why are you against secession (assuming I’m reading your opinion correctly)?

Thanks for sharing your viewpoint.

I’m your liquor benefactor for the night, should we ever have the fortune of meeting in person.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
25636 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:50 pm to
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EKG


I am curious if Fed taxes have been discussed as well as what has been paid into programs such as Social Security by Texas residents. I am certain it has but I have not had the time lately to search and read as much I would like so any info/links would be great.



Posted by rooster108bm
Member since Nov 2010
2918 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:51 pm to
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Help me out: Why are you against secession (assuming I’m reading your opinion correctly)?



Im not.

If Texas can pull it off on their own godspeed and godbless.

Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44119 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:52 pm to
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Beautiful Galveston Beach huh?

I know, right?

Our unfortunate beaches need 911 help.

I will say, however, I’ve pulled in more redfish in Galveston than I have anywhere else I’ve fished along the Gulf Coast (TX, LA, MS, AL, FL).
Flounder too.

But our sand SUCKS.

Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44119 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:53 pm to
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Im not.

If Texas can pull it off on their own godspeed and godbless.

Excellent.
Keep in touch, mate.
Posted by rooster108bm
Member since Nov 2010
2918 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:57 pm to
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
17165 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:57 pm to
Will Texas and aTm be removed from the SEC?
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44119 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:59 pm to
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Bobby OG Johnson

Excellent question(s).

Will I still retain my veterans’ benefits after TEXIT?
quote:

Veterans who live outside the United States remain entitled to the benefits and services earned through their military service. Most VA benefits are payable regardless of your place of residence or nationality.


What could replace Social Security in an independent Texas?
quote:

Although those currently receiving Social Security payments would continue to do so in an independent Texas, the question becomes one of what a replacement system could look like in an independent Texas.

Fortunately, Texas is already leading the way with concrete examples of what a Social Security replacement could look like.

Three counties in Texas have shown the public that they can opt-out of Social Security by setting up their own system for personal retirement accounts. This decision has allowed these counties to avoid any financial concerns and has even provided their retirees with a higher amount of retirement income.

Employees of Brazoria, Matagorda, and Galveston County have experienced a growth in retirement savings annually. Under their model, both employee and employer contributions are handled by a financial planner. The agency “First Financial Benefits Inc.” of Houston currently manages their retirement accounts and has done so since the system’s inception in 1981.

All of the contributions are collected, similar to bank deposits, and financial institutions begin bidding on the money. These same institutions guarantee that interest rates will not go down to a certain level, and may even go higher if everything goes smoothly in the market.

Under this model, accounts are able to earn between 3.75% and 5.75% each year, averaging at about 5% overall. This rate was even higher during the 1990s when it reached up to 7%. Ultimately, employees make more money when the market is up but will still earn something even when it goes down.

These “Texas Model” in these three counties has consistently outperformed the federal system with better returns and greater long-term stability.

Guaranteed retirement benefits from a private organization are enticing for us in Texas, especially since studies have indicated the depletion of Social Security funds in the near future.

The model shown by the three counties proves that we Texans can set up our own retirement and pension system, and do so successfully, despite secession by way of TEXIT.
Posted by Atlas_Shrugged
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since May 2022
570 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 7:01 pm to
Well the train to Grinder's Switch is runnin' right on time
And them Tucker Boys are cookin' down in Caroline
People down in Florida can't be still
When ol' Lynyrd Skynrd's pickin' down in Jacksonville
Now people down in Georgia come from near and far
To hear Richard Betts pickin' on that red guitar
So gather 'round, now gather 'round chillin', get down
Well just get down chillin', get loud
Well you can be loud and be proud
An' you can be proud, here now, be proud you're a Rebel
'Cause the South's gonna do it again and again
Elvin Bishop sittin' on a bale of hay
He ain't good lookin', but he sure can play
And there's ZZ Top and you can't forget
That old brother Willie's gettin' soakin' wet
And all the good people down in Tennessee
Are diggin' Barefoot Jerry and C.D.B
Well gather 'round, gather 'round chillin', get down
Well you can get down chillin', get loud
Well you get loud and be proud
Well you can be proud an' be proud you're a Rebel
'Cause the South's gonna do it again, yes it is
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