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re: Why aren’t anti abortion adopting children

Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:14 am to
Posted by Kattail
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:14 am to
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For a lot they would, but it can be very expensive and the barriers high.



This
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111802 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:14 am to
Pro-life people are multiple times more likely to foster and/or adopt kids than the worshippers of Molech are.

We all know it.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
5110 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:21 am to
To be honest, alcohol and meth are the worst.
We adopted our daughter who had withdrawals for days after birth. We didn't see her till a week after her birth and didn't go through it with her. Not sure how much the mother used during pregnancy but she is 8 yrs old, super smart, very athletic, and a bold leader. She is amazing.

Our oldest daughter we also adopted also as a baby and were able to be with her on the birth day. Her birth mother had 2 prior abortions, and the 2nd one was at 20 weeks. I suspect that this abortion impacted her and her boyfriend convinced her also to put her up for adoption. She too is crazy smart and an amazing little girl.
So we've spent $100k on these adoptions.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
5110 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:30 am to
Agreed Kattail.
Something else that really makes me furious is that during the "home study" to determine if you are a viable couple to adopt is that they look into your networth, ask if you believe in corporal punishment, do you have guns in the house, etc etc.
Meanwhile when a criminal crackhead mother gives birth to the baby you are to adopt, she can change her mind and decide to keep the baby. So the criminal crackhead is acceptable for the child's parent just because they are "blood", meanwhile the adoptive couple has lost thousands of dollars and is hearbroken while the crackhead takes the baby home.
So much weight is given to the blood family and the birth father. Don't get me started on adopting kids from a Indian Reservation. A birth father can come back years later and take your child.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6617 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:34 am to
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And it's worse if they're in foster care, because all that means is the state is trying to give those kids back to what are almost always totally garbage parents that shouldn't have access to their children.


Prepare for an entire new generation of kids raised by the state
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6617 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:37 am to
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If you want to fix foster care, fix the drug problem.


How do you suggest making drug addicts not want drugs? Has anything worked to date?
Posted by AgSGT
Dixon, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1686 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:38 am to
We took in a four year old boy and his soon to be two year old sister back in January. The bio parents actually really do love the kids, but just not enough to stop using meth and in the case of the Dad, stop the gang life. I think that what actually makes it worse for the kids is that during visitations they have loving parents that treat them well but they are too young to understand why they aren't with them on a permanent basis, at least in the case of the older brother.

Over the course of the last six months we've certainly grown attached to the kiddos and were worried when our case worker asked us if we'd take on the bio Mom's new baby that was born last week. The state's preference is to keep sibling's together, and I completely understand that. We are aware of the mother's troubles and knew that she'd been on meth at least the first 5 months of pregnancy before being put back in jail. We explained that we couldn't be good parents to the two we have, one of which is already behind developmentally due to neglect and take on a new born who is more than likely going to have issues due to the Mom's choices. Thankfully, the state understood and because there isn't a relationship between the kids with us and newborn they found another home with parents more equipped to handle a child in that situation.

I understand why a lot of you say these kids aren't your burden to bare, I really do. I especially understand if you already have kids in your home and you are worried about bringing in children who've experienced trauma. I'll say this though, think of the first time you took your child fishing, the joy you saw on your child's face. Now imagine that same experience with a kid who has been put through the ringer, been bounced from home to home until they found a good home and family that loved him. That same first fishing trip just meant so much more to our boy Terry because of what he went thru, at least that is what I like to think. Thankfully his sister is too young to really know what is going on, she just goes thru the days being a bundle of joy for the wife and I. I didn't see myself, someone who never wanted kids, being in my mid 40's with two kids under five in the house, but while tough, it's been the most personally fulfilling thing I've done since my time in the Army.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6617 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:39 am to
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The problem with adoption is that it costs $40-50k.


Who does the money go to?
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33839 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:40 am to
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Prepare for an entire new generation of kids raised by the state

The waitlist for infants and newborns is years long.
Posted by AgSGT
Dixon, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1686 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:41 am to
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This brings up a whole other major issue. Many, MANY children in the foster system aren’t actually available for adoption. They’ve been taken from parents who aren’t capable of providing them with adequate care due to drugs, prison sentences, homelessness etc) but they are expected to be returned to the birth family when they are capable of providing care.


I can't speak to other states, but the judge in our county (Pulaski County, MO) usually gives the bio parents 18 moths to get their lives together and at that point moves to terminate parental rights.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33839 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:43 am to
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can't speak to other states, but the judge in our county (Pulaski County, MO) usually gives the bio parents 18 moths to get their lives together and at that point moves to terminate parental rights.

18 consecutive months? Most children are placed in homes, returned to parents, replaced in homes, etc over and over again. As I said, my sister works at a very high level for Texas foster program. Most of those kids won’t be adopted.
Posted by AgSGT
Dixon, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1686 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:46 am to
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The problem with adoption is that it costs $40-50k.


Who does the money go to?


In the state of Missouri if you are a foster parent adopting children that have been placed with you, the cost to adopt is covered by the state.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33839 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:47 am to
I will add the the purpose of the foster care system is to provide care for children while parents correct issues and then to return those kids to the bio families. Breaking up a bio family is considered an absolute last resort.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
40237 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:48 am to
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You know there is a shortage of kids to be adopted right?

There is not a shortage of kids; there is a shortage of acceptable kids. The children who are not getting adopted are the ones who have fetal alcohol syndrome and stuff like that. THAT is the real problem.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33839 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:51 am to
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I understand why a lot of you say these kids aren't your burden to bare, I really do. I especially understand if you already have kids in your home and you are worried about bringing in children who've experienced trauma. I'll say this though, think of the first time you took your child fishing, the joy you saw on your child's face. Now imagine that same experience with a kid who has been put through the ringer, been bounced from home to home until they found a good home and family that loved him. That same first fishing trip just meant so much more to our boy Terry because of what he went thru, at least that is what I like to think. Thankfully his sister is too young to really know what is going on, she just goes thru the days being a bundle of joy for the wife and I. I didn't see myself, someone who never wanted kids, being in my mid 40's with two kids under five in the house, but while tough, it's been the most personally fulfilling thing I've done since my time in the Army.


This is beautiful.
Posted by AgSGT
Dixon, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1686 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:56 am to
I can only speak to my experience and those of the foster community we rely on for support and advice in the local area in Missouri. I've not heard good things about the foster care system in Texas but in the case of my county, the state doesn't go that route of moving the child back and forth, they emphasize stability for the kids. The two with us were removed from their parents a little over a year ago, were originally placed with an elderly couple in their 70's who just weren't equipped to take of them long term, until they found a more permanent solution, us. But yes, 18 months, consecutive months. In September we are scheduled to have a permanency hearing which is essentially the last chance for the bio parents to show that they are on the right track, I don't expect that to be the case. During training, I believe the social worker said that over half of the kids entering into the foster care system here in Missouri, are eventually adopted by their foster parents. That said, while it would devastate us to lose them, I hope the parents turn it around for their kids and become the type of parents these kids deserve. If that were to happen, I'm certain it will take some time to recover but we would, and we'd open our home again because every kid deserves a loving home.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 9:48 am
Posted by AgSGT
Dixon, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1686 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:05 am to
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I will add the the purpose of the foster care system is to provide care for children while parents correct issues and then to return those kids to the bio families. Breaking up a bio family is considered an absolute last resort.


That is the toughest part but the most important, being a loving foster parent knowing they can be taken away in an instant. In another discussion with others about fostering someone said that if you are going to foster, you can't get too attached and I had to push back on that. You have to get attached, you have to jump all the way in when fostering and be the absolute best loving parent you can be. The kids don't choose to be in the system, we do and if we truly love these kids, the absolute goal should be reunifying them with their parents after they've gotten their lives together, no matter how tough it is on us.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56947 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:07 am to
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but it can be very expensive and the barriers high


This can be solved. It would be a good use of government.

People can get married very cheaply and easily. Adoption can be set up in a similar manner. We've just accepted the premise that it cannot.

Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
49195 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:08 am to
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My wife and I went to multiple adoption agencies and the cheapest adoption cost was $40k.

Only cheap option was state adoptions and you have no idea of your going to get a baby of a crackhead.

Adoption is just unattainable for most people


This. People do not truly understand the costs associated.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33839 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:09 am to
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That is the toughest part but the most important, being a loving foster parent knowing they can be taken away in an instant. In another discussion with others about fostering someone said that if you are going to foster, you can't get too attached and I had to push back on that. You have to get attached, you have to jump all the way in when fostering and be the absolute best loving parent you can be. The kids don't choose to be in the system, we do and if we truly love these kids, the absolute goal should be reunifying them with their parents after they've gotten their lives together, no matter how tough it is on us.


This is the truth and the burden. It’s also why so many adopt outside the foster care system and even internationally. After multiple miscarriages, I need a “sure thing” that wouldn’t be stripped from me.
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