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Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:44 pm
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
11814 posts
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:44 pm
Seems like a bad time but cash is also bad obviously. Just curious to hear what everyone's thinking. As interest rates go up houses are sitting on the market longer but where is the sweet spot? I know every market is different but its tough to read anything right now.
This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 8:46 pm
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38423 posts
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:51 pm to
Mortgage applications at a 22 year low
Fed has another rate hike or two left

We are at the top.

Posted by TigerMan327
Elsewhere
Member since Feb 2011
6087 posts
Posted on 6/12/22 at 10:07 pm to
When would you start buying more rentals?
Posted by iron banks
Destrehan
Member since Jul 2014
4179 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:25 am to
IMO in about a year you will start to see bargains in real estate. There may be a few now but there will be more coming as this train wreck we are watching in real time happens.
Posted by sawtooth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2017
3588 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:47 am to
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about a year


This. Plenty of opportunities for those who have cash.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14572 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 8:07 am to
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IMO in about a year you will start to see bargains in real estate. There may be a few now but there will be more coming as this train wreck we are watching in real time happens.


Three weeks ago I thought this thinking was flawed. I acknowledge it looks like I was very wrong and agree with you now. The cracks in the RE market are definitely starting to show.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 8:08 am
Posted by natsoundup
Simpsonville, SC, Jupiter, FL,
Member since May 2013
367 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 8:28 am to
Spent the last month renovating a Florida investment condo. All everyone is talking about is the value of their homes

I was under contract 5 days into the Reno…. It’s a top, and I am out. Still have another one tha I have for personal use when not renting
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29034 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 9:26 am to
Where are we going to magically find 7 million new houses?
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20587 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 2:12 am to
New construction is still pedal to the metal in Tuscaloosa. Major builders not named DR Horton have introduced more of a mix in their builds. Smaller 2/1, 2/2 and 3/2 builds I’m seeing more of.

DR Horton IMO is fisking trash, though they do have some crews who seem to care about their work and you get a good one. I wouldn’t chance it though.

If you’re in the market I’d hurry though. Interest rates should go up and I don’t see them dropping for at least 3 years
Posted by Athletix
Member since Dec 2012
5136 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:10 pm to
If real estate is an asset class you're interested in, then one should always be looking at real estate. In particular, rental properties are a simple math equation. (Mortgage + Repairs + Interest + Taxes + Maintenance) - Rent. Does it cash flow? Does it cash flow enough for the value of the property, ex. 50k house cash flowing 200 a month ok, 500k house cash flowing 200 a month not ok. If you're in the game of betting on appreciation, I'd be nervous. We're entering a downturn in the market with rising interest rates. We've hit a top for some period of time. Everyone on this board is within 1-2 hours drive away from a market that has cash flowing properties. You've just got to be willing to find them and invest in markets and neighborhoods not located in the primo prime spot in the state.

TLDR: yes
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5915 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:30 pm to
After a lot of thinking, I’m selling my multi fam property now. I might regret it but the offer was too good to pass up
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43062 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:54 pm to
Maybe this deserves its own thread but what if you are interested in scooping up a property and able to float the interest payment until they drop rates in a year or so? Credit is extremely strong (800) can I treat the situation the same if a deal shows up?
Posted by Athletix
Member since Dec 2012
5136 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 4:27 pm to
So, the house doesn't cash flow? Float the interest payment?? As in the interest difference from a 3% to 6% loan is the difference between a cash flowing asset?

A drop in rates in 1 year is very bullish. No one knows, but conventional wisdom is higher rates for next 1-2 years. Anything outside of that is pure guess work
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43062 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 4:35 pm to
quote:

So, the house doesn't cash flow? Float the interest payment?? As in the interest difference from a 3% to 6% loan is the difference between a cash flowing asset?

A drop in rates in 1 year is very bullish. No one knows, but conventional wisdom is higher rates for next 1-2 years. Anything outside of that is pure guess work


My household income can pay an extra 400 a month in interest payments for a year or two until refi (assuming rates go down).

I am just tired of renting and my rent is damn near a mortgage payment now.
Posted by Athletix
Member since Dec 2012
5136 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 4:45 pm to
Ahh personal residence. I think we all have a number per month we can afford for housing. That number is what is, I wouldn't spend more over that number regarding rates. I think with rates going up, you should be looking for home prices to level off and find a house that is valued in a good spot. I'd buy if there's value, it fits your budget, and you like the house. I just wouldn't bet on rates coming down anytime soon. I would take the stance that rates will be at >5% forever
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43062 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 4:50 pm to
quote:

Ahh personal residence. I think we all have a number per month we can afford for housing. That number is what is, I wouldn't spend more over that number regarding rates. I think with rates going up, you should be looking for home prices to level off and find a house that is valued in a good spot. I'd buy if there's value, it fits your budget, and you like the house. I just wouldn't bet on rates coming down anytime soon. I would take the stance that rates will be at >5% forever


I appreciate the input.
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2711 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 6:02 pm to
How will the potential downturn affect rental prices? My area saw a surge when housing took off ($750 homes now renting for $1100). Safe to assume they drop when housing drops? How would one estimate a good buy with that unknown?
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
53780 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 6:09 pm to
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Safe to assume they drop when housing drops? How would one estimate a good buy with that unknown?


I have never seen RENT prices drop. There is limited inventory. I just bought a new rental last night...nothing to brag about...it was a 2-2 new mobile home on a nice acre lot in Oxford. Rents for $1,000/month. Bought cash for $112. Lease already signed through July 2023 from tenants who have been there three years. They cannot afford to buy a home in the market so they stay.

I just spoke to another tenant of mine an hour ago and she wants to sign a three-year lease extension (seeing if she could lock her price in if she did it). Housing scarcity, high rates, high building supplies, delays everywhere will keep the prices set for rentals. The housing market will cool a smidge due to reduced demand because people cannot afford the $300k home with a 7% interest like they could a 3% a year ago.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29034 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:29 pm to
Posted by TxWadingFool
Middle Coast
Member since Sep 2014
5464 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:06 pm to
Anyone have any feel for commercial property? After 8+ years of looking in a certain area for land to build out a commercial business on there have been 5 tracts come up for sale within a mile of each other in the last 3 weeks, (4 different owners) it's still hard to believe. These are 10+ acre tracts and would be big enough for what we want to do but I also feel they are over priced at the current asking prices, fomo is weighing on me though. I would be paying cash for the land then forming a LLC for loans to build out the businesses. The businesses would be associated with disposable income so that scares me, the interest rate increases are worrying me with the loans. I'm 99% sure the businesses will cash flow month to month but writing that big check up front in the current climate scares crap out of me. It's life changing money if things go south.
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