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re: A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind

Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:17 am to
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:17 am to
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If you wanna put your rights in the hands of the government on what constitutes adequate "mental health" be my guest.


How shocking that many on here are concerned they would not qualify as mentally healthy
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6618 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:18 am to
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Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. Religion IS the problem, but that’s why God isn’t trying to give man religion as He is Faith and a very real relationship with Him. It’s been the plan since the very beginning. Religion is that which nailed Christ to the cross.

When I mean we need God, I don’t mean we need religion. I mean we need Him and His perfect plan for mankind, His laws, His will, and His way for mankind, not religious affiliation or ritual. That’s one of the problems in that it tricks and deceives man into a false sense of righteousness he thinks he somehow earns. That’s certainly not ever going to be the solution.

Don’t confuse self righteous religious affiliation with true heart felt personal relationship. They weren’t the same when Christ walked the earth, and they aren’t the same today.


No offense, but I think this guy is way past some supernatural entity helping him if hes massacring children at school
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7660 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:18 am to
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A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind


I bet you are pro life aren't you? Posted some "save the children" hashtags maybe.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
29058 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:21 am to
103 dumbasses so far that downvoted this.
Scary.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
15351 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:25 am to
You can’t legislate away evil, period.
Posted by Nit68
Monza - Italy
Member since Jan 2022
56 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:26 am to
Who decides who are good people?
And if good people become bad people?
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36359 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:28 am to
I don't understand why schools can't have better security.

My work (which isn't that secure) still has two guard shacks you have to walk through before evening reaching the building to enter. Over 2000 people a day go through.

My kid's school I could walk up and wait for someone to open a door and walk right in. Or shoot the glass out and open it myself and no one would even see me til I was inside basically.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 7:31 am
Posted by p&g
Dixie
Member since Jun 2005
12995 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:28 am to
Absolutely


Every single one of you downvoters need to get fricked.
Move to Australia
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
53119 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:32 am to
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what percentage of schools would need to be shot up before you would ask congress to pass more strict gun legislation?


ZERO

There is not a single law congress can pass that will prevent school shootings. I challenge you to please provide a single law passed by the government that would solve this.

The only measure that MIGHT make a small decrease, is the wholesale banning, and confiscation of all firearms. And that ain't happening.

Let me ask you this victoire, do you ever find it extremely hypocritical that the same people that constantly berate us about "common sense gun legislation" all have security guards? Do you know why we, civilians, protect our guns? Because tyrants, criminals, and general bad guys wish to do innocent people harm. Take away Nancy Pelosi's body guards. What happens when the "white supremacists" the left keeps fabricating, try to attack her. How does a feeble old woman protect herself? Now what about innocent every day people? How do they protect themselves from criminals? Are there laws on the books that make criminals stop doing criminal shite? NO.

We didn't have an issue with school shootings until the 90's, some 30+ years. We've been having the 2nd amendment since 1791, 231 years. How are the guns the ones at fault, when we have centuries of history without school shootings?

The fact of the matter is, the real issue is mental health. We've boarded up all the nuthouses and insane asylums. When people say insane, crazy shite, the left comes in and gives them holidays and demands the rest of society accept insanity as the "new normal". We don't treat mental illness anymore. It is promoted, and given a holiday, and the left tells us if we don't recognize obvious mental illness as a lifestyle choice then we are bigots. We are then told by that same left, that every problem you have in life, is not your fault. It's someone else.

We then have the insanity incubator known as social media. Only on social media can clinically insane children and adults form promotion groups. These aren't groups looking for support, these are groups looking for media coverage and acknowledgement. Not acknowledgement for help, but acknowledgement for embracing the mental illness.

This is a literal insane world. The mental damage is being promoted by a segment of society and any measures promoted to curb this mental degeneration is attacked, ridiculed, and beaten into submission. There is no amount of laws that the left wants to pass that will stop mentally deranged people from doing mentally deranged things. The measures that could be done to help, would be to open up insane asylums around the country, but ones that looked at treatment instead of nothing but pills as a solution.

And the final point, laws don't prevent criminals from stopping crime. The strictest gun laws in the country are in the most liberal urban areas, that often have the highest crime rates in the country. Making guns more illegal only creates more victims, AND YOU KNOW THAT.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:32 am to
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Also just a side thought for those that think their weapons are protecting them from a tyrannical government. It would be like taking a knife to a gun fight except your ARs are the knives.


Yeah we made easy work of those dorks in Korea, Vietnam, and the Middle East with their little guns and bombs
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
53119 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:35 am to
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I bet you are pro life aren't you? Posted some "save the children" hashtags maybe.



Explain how being pro-life and wanting the 2nd amendment guaranteed is a contradiction.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
59151 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:37 am to
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No offense, but I think this guy is way past some supernatural entity helping him if hes massacring children at school


None taken, but it’s the reason for it, the gaping hole in his life, the empty vacuum in his heart and perverse mindset that took over that space. Had he truly ever come to a place in his life where he sincerely sought out and then accepted Christ, he would never be the same. You can’t be, because there’s something that happens to the individual who comes to the saving knowledge of Him that it changes you forever. You can still go off the reservation so to speak, but you can’t do it without a very serious battle with reconciling it with God.

I don’t know every little thing going on with this guy, but I do know this, and that the further this country moves away from God and His precepts, the more screwed up it becomes, and that is rooted in simple personal observation over the years I have been alive. We’ve been trending downward since the 60’s and besides some saving graces here and there, the overall direction we are heading toward as a nation is not a good place, and that’s largely because we’ve forgotten about our God and our founding as a nation, and so wickedness is taking it’s place in our lives and in our country’s direction.

quote:

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly. - Proverbs 26:11




Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
53119 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:41 am to
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Bringing God back into peoples lives is not a viable solution.


Interesting considering the lack of Judeo-Christian principles in society is what leads to the disregard to human life.

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Something strategic needs to be done that will be satisfactory for almost everyone.


More kids will die in 3 months due to random violence in inner city ghetto's than in 3 years from school shootings. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet has one of the highest homicide, rape, and violent crime rates in the country. The "well they're just getting their guns outside of the state" narrative is hypocritical and nonsensical. You yourself, are proving that gun laws don't work because criminals will break the law to commit crime.

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Also just a side thought for those that think their weapons are protecting them from a tyrannical government. It would be like taking a knife to a gun fight except your ARs are the knives.


It took a rally of about 1000 non-violent people, to walk into Congress and send our government rats scurrying. The people weren't even violent. Your problem, is you think of the tyrannical government as the army fighting against the citizens. The tyrannical government uses the FBI, and other law enforcement to remove people's freedoms. A small bureaucratic police force is very afraid of citizens with guns. We have plenty of documented cases to show this.
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
8773 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:47 am to
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And there was an armed security guard at the TOPs grocery massacre last week and he was immediately shot and killed.


I apologize for being uninformed



Back to the drawing board
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11305 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:49 am to
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Let me know how you plan to fight a 19 year old in a room 1000 miles with his hands on a joystick of a Predator drone. The sad truth is you are already outgunned by the government and no amount of .223 or 7.62 is going to save you. The sooner you accept that, the sooner we can have a meaningful dialogue about violence in American society.


So the government’s s droning its own citizens and you’re saying they wouldn’t fight back?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
53119 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:51 am to
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"Two Uvalde police officers and a school resource officer fired at the shooter, but it did not stop him from entering the building


Didn't a border patrol agent shoot and kill him?

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And there was an armed security guard at the TOPs grocery massacre last week and he was immediately shot and killed.



Have you ever been intimidated by a grocery store security guard? If there is ever a profession that needs a complete overhaul, it is the general security guard industry. The elderly men, or overweight women they put at these posts aren't necessarily the best option to protect the populace.

When i used to have to go to plants for work, i would laugh at the security measures at the gate. A sassy 5'0 tall, 250 lb. black woman isn't much of a safeguard if someone really wanted to do some damage.
Posted by Willbe76
Great State of Texas
Member since Mar 2022
174 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:55 am to
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A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind


100% agree. 200+ children a year are killed in drunk driving accidents a year. What should we ban?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
53119 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:57 am to
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The sad truth is you are already outgunned by the government and no amount of .223 or 7.62 is going to save you. The sooner you accept that, the sooner we can have a meaningful dialogue about violence in American society.


1) Pretty sure there are serious repercussions if the US government drone bombed US citizens (unless you are Obama).
2) Removing guns does NOTHING to stop violence. I'm assuming you are coming at this situation thinking like a man, right? Most of us here are males. So we use bravado to say, "i don't need a gun to protect myself, especially if the criminal doesn't have a gun". Well, for starters, making guns more illegal is NOT going to stop criminals. And b) what about women and the elderly? Women are the largest category of victims of violent crime in this country. How do they protect themselves from violent men, who have more muscle mass, denser bone structure, and are much more aggressive? How do the defenseless protect themselves? I would really like someone to answer this. How do the "targets" of violent crime protect themselves when their only equalizer, a gun, is deemed illegal, and they can no longer protect themselves? A taser? Sure, you may get 1, but what if, there are multiple attackers? Don't know of many revolver tasers.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:02 am to


This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 2:28 pm
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
114236 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:02 am to
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We need MORE guns in the hands of good people

Not less


How do you determine if someone is "good"?
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