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re: We have 3 draft picks and 14 roster spots filled
Posted on 5/18/22 at 6:36 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 5/18/22 at 6:36 am to GOP_Tiger
more precisely they can draft an overseas player who still is under contract there and can’t come over for a couple years. If he never comes over it’s a wasted pick. The agents and FO will already have gone thru the scenarios before the pick
a player not under professional contract drafted in the 2nd has a choice...take what the team offers if it’s a 2-way or just don’t sign. The team doesn’t hold the players rights after that if he doesn’t and it’s a wasted pick. Again, the team should know before they pick a guy whether he will take a 2-way.
My point is that it’s up to the player, not the team. If you are a 2nd round prospect why would you take a 2-way if there’s a chance of getting a standard deal elsewhere, even if you have to be a camp invite?
they should take this one year opportunity where they don’t have roster space to get anything they can for those picks even if it’s not much at all. All they can offer a player (or two players) is a 2-way, other teams can offer more assuming the player is in demand. And if he’s not in demand, why draft him?
a player not under professional contract drafted in the 2nd has a choice...take what the team offers if it’s a 2-way or just don’t sign. The team doesn’t hold the players rights after that if he doesn’t and it’s a wasted pick. Again, the team should know before they pick a guy whether he will take a 2-way.
My point is that it’s up to the player, not the team. If you are a 2nd round prospect why would you take a 2-way if there’s a chance of getting a standard deal elsewhere, even if you have to be a camp invite?
they should take this one year opportunity where they don’t have roster space to get anything they can for those picks even if it’s not much at all. All they can offer a player (or two players) is a 2-way, other teams can offer more assuming the player is in demand. And if he’s not in demand, why draft him?
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 6:51 am to cgrand
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My point is that it’s up to the player, not the team. If you are a 2nd round prospect why would you take a 2-way if there’s a chance of getting a standard deal elsewhere, even if you have to be a camp invite? they should take this one year opportunity where they don’t have roster space to get anything they can for those picks even if it’s not much at all. All they can offer a player (or two players) is a 2-way, other teams can offer more assuming the player is in demand. And if he’s not in demand, why draft him?
I count 10 two-way contracts signed by 2nd rounders last year. Maybe they sell both picks for cash and take their chances signing an UDFA to the two-way. But I don’t think it’s a certainty that they go that route.
To answer your question about taking a two way over a camp invite- I’m assuming it’s based on risk tolerance. Much better chance of seeing most/all of the $470k two way than making the NBA team in camp and earning a real contract. What happens if the player is cut in camp as an UDFA? Won’t they have to sign a general G League deal which probably pays like shite compared to the two-way?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 6:54 am to cgrand
Two-way contracts get converted to regular contracts all the time, like we did with Naji a year ago and Jose this season. We've actually demonstrated that we are a great place to get a two-way contract. Don't forget that Zylan Cheatham and Josh Gray both got converted to regular contracts in the Steven Adams trade.
I just looked, and there were 10 players drafted last season who signed two-way contracts.
There were also three players drafted who were stashed overseas.
Finally, there were two people drafted who signed G-League contract, meaning that they were stashed in the G-League at the start of the season.
So, exactly half of the 2nd round picks signed actual NBA contracts after the draft.
Edit: what DallasTiger45 said
I just looked, and there were 10 players drafted last season who signed two-way contracts.
There were also three players drafted who were stashed overseas.
Finally, there were two people drafted who signed G-League contract, meaning that they were stashed in the G-League at the start of the season.
So, exactly half of the 2nd round picks signed actual NBA contracts after the draft.
Edit: what DallasTiger45 said
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 6:57 am
Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:06 am to GOP_Tiger
none of Naji, Jose, zylan, etc were drafted though, they were free.
pels 2nds are 41 and 52. sell them and sign free agents. You’ll get the same type player
pels 2nds are 41 and 52. sell them and sign free agents. You’ll get the same type player
Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:16 am to cgrand
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pels 2nds are 41 and 52. sell them and sign free agents. You’ll get the same type player
Maybe, maybe not. If there is a guy we really like, he might not be available as an UDFA, because someone else might draft him, or he could sign a contract with another team.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:22 am to GOP_Tiger
you and I will both agree that the risk of that is very low as is the potential reward, right?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:27 am to cgrand
what about this though?
attach both 2nds to graham and salary dump to a cap space team...
maybe throw in another sweetener like a top 14 protected far future 1st? Or cash?
attach both 2nds to graham and salary dump to a cap space team...
maybe throw in another sweetener like a top 14 protected far future 1st? Or cash?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:56 am to SHMILL
I didn’t realize until recently, but Williams is 2 years older than Duren. If we were going with a C, Duren has a much higher ceiling
Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:58 am to cgrand
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attach both 2nds to graham and salary dump to a cap space team...
I like the idea, but I doubt that a team would want both of our 2nds this year. They'd probably want one this year, and one in another year or two. And it definitely shouldn't take more than that (no firsts whatsoever)
Look, I'm not saying that we will definitely draft a player in the 2nd round. I just don't think that it's unlikely.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:05 am to GOP_Tiger
I figure Griff and Trajan will do some frickery to move those picks.
What comes to mind is the Zion draft where we grabbed Alan Smalegic and flipped him to the Warriors. He was a guy on the Warriors’ G League tr and they were intending to draft him to keep his rights and we grabbed him.
We then flipped him to the Warriors for two future seconds and cash.
What comes to mind is the Zion draft where we grabbed Alan Smalegic and flipped him to the Warriors. He was a guy on the Warriors’ G League tr and they were intending to draft him to keep his rights and we grabbed him.
We then flipped him to the Warriors for two future seconds and cash.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:29 am to teke184
Maybe Detroit or SAC would be interested in trading their pick for the 8th pick +hayes+graham.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:49 am to SVGburner
Detroit is in a perfect position to get a running mate for Cade so that won’t happen.
Sacramento? Their ownership is dumber than dogshit and hires accordingly. If there is a way to miss on a decision, they tend to find a way.
Getting Marvin Bagley rather than Luka, Trey Young, or flipping picks with Dallas or Atlanta comes to mind.
Sacramento had Luka’s coach on the team begging them to draft him and they passed because GM Vlade Divac hated Luka’s dad.
Sacramento? Their ownership is dumber than dogshit and hires accordingly. If there is a way to miss on a decision, they tend to find a way.
Getting Marvin Bagley rather than Luka, Trey Young, or flipping picks with Dallas or Atlanta comes to mind.
Sacramento had Luka’s coach on the team begging them to draft him and they passed because GM Vlade Divac hated Luka’s dad.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:29 am to Dantheman504
Any chance we trade Hayes and the 8th to move up? If that’s even doable
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:52 am to Dantheman504
I wish we'd use one of the seconds for a draft-and-stash guy...Euro guy that can stay overseas a couple of seasons before he comes over. Future pipeline just disposing of draft picks.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 10:11 am to hg
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Any chance we trade Hayes and the 8th to move up? If that’s even doable
Move up 2 spots? Maybe? Into the top 3/4? Hell no that’s not going to get it done
Posted on 5/18/22 at 10:13 am to DallasTiger45
Houston isn’t moving out from 3.
The only reason 4 is a possibility is, as I repeatedly state, Sacramento is a franchise run by utter retards. And even they may not be that stupid.
The only reason 4 is a possibility is, as I repeatedly state, Sacramento is a franchise run by utter retards. And even they may not be that stupid.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 10:21 am to teke184
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The only reason 4 is a possibility is, as I repeatedly state, Sacramento is a franchise run by utter retards. And even they may not be that stupid.
Sacramento does weird shite, but they don’t usually trade down before they reach. If they want to take Keegan Murray over Ivey, I think they’ll just take him at 4
Posted on 5/18/22 at 10:23 am to DallasTiger45
Temple + Graham makes the most sense to me. We have to develop Kira, Jose, Trey, Herb, Hayes, #8, Naji, and technically Zion. If we keep Graham then Kira, #8, Naji, and Graham are fighting for a combined 15-20 min max.
It makes more sense to use the Graham money to extend Jax and continue to develop the those other players.
It makes more sense to use the Graham money to extend Jax and continue to develop the those other players.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 10:40 am to cgrand
quote:Good thing we did not think that way at 35 last year.
you and I will both agree that the risk of that is very low as is the potential reward, right?
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