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LA Legislature to address Teacher Shortage using Retirees earning 50%.

Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:25 am
Posted by boudinman
Member since Nov 2019
5176 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:25 am
Retirees earn an average of $27,378 annually in retirement. The bill if passed would allow them to earn 50% of their annual pension, a measley $13,689 before taxes, for up to 3 years. What retired teacher will want to work a full year for an avg. gross salary of $13.6K?

This just shows how much Louisiana values its teachers both active and retirees. Poorly paid, low retirement benefits, and not addressing the real issue. Paying teachers a true living wage. They all should walk off the job today and choose another field of work.

Teaching is a noble profession, but just not truly valued by others. Asking a state teacher retiree to live off of $27,378 annually is beyond comprehension.

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Posted by Marshhen
Port Eads
Member since Nov 2018
675 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:29 am to
Obviously your teachers were paid WAY too much. The 50% would be in addition to their teaching salary
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
16421 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:31 am to
Teachers are paid an average of $51,666 in Louisiana.

I stopped crying right there.
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:31 am to
$51,666 + $13,689 = $65,355

Or more...they come in at experienced level, and if their retirement is maxed it keeps building.


Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96890 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:33 am to
This appears to be WAE work, meaning that the retirees draw their retirement AND draw a new check from the state.

If someone is retired from teaching but still needs money, getting effectively 45K a year taxed at 15K a year isn’t bad. (State retirement is exempt from state taxes, so only the new income is taxable by the state)
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18200 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:34 am to
The biggest lie we have told society is that we underpay teachers.

Download the Open Books app and unless you live in a state capital, the highest paid state workers are normal educators. Administrators are certainly the highest, but run of the mill teachers with 15+ years experience normally do pretty well.


This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 8:36 am
Posted by frequent flyer
USA
Member since Jul 2021
3046 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:35 am to
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LA Legislature to address Teacher Shortage using Retirees earning 50%.



A lot of teachers suck in Louisiana. And I'm not saying that teachers are underpaid. But it's pretty clear that Louisiana isn't always getting the best and brightest for this line of work.

If Louisiana paid them substantially more than the surrounding states, people would actually move here to apply to local jobs. Administrators would have a choice in applicants and wouldn't have to rely on just anyone to fill a position. And Louisiana has a lot of crappy teachers just filling positions because they need a body.

If there's a shortage, they really should look at hiking teacher pay.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 8:38 am
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
25114 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:39 am to
AL doesn't tax teacher or military retirement pay.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17542 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:39 am to
Well these POS work 9 months get 3 months off and then have shitty unions that don’t care about kids and push political agendas while recruiting our kids. frick teachers, tell them to get a real job!
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99782 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:40 am to
Assuming the teacher fully vested, that's 20 years (your number includes all retirees, including early retirees). That's a teacher w/ 20 years experience coming in at THAT salary, plus 50% of their retirement.

Pretty good deal, actually.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41902 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:41 am to
quote:

Asking a state teacher retiree to live off of $27,378 annually is beyond comprehension.

My wife is a teacher and after teaching for 30 years she’s going to get around 45,000ish a year in retirement. It’s a percentage of the average of the highest three years of salary (it increases every year while teaching).

I suspect that $27,000 figure is averaging all the aids and cafeteria workers together with teachers.


Edit:
Actually, the teacher pay really started ramping around 2010ish so maybe retired teachers really are around $27,000 a year in retirement. If so, that figure will increase fast as new teachers retire.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 8:44 am
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
16922 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:44 am to
Are they recruiting properly for teaching positions?

IMO they need to offer competitive pay and then start recruiting out of the bigger midwestern Universities. Poach other state's college graduates to come here somehow. Maybe offer a 5+ year loan payment bonus for them. Advertise that places like Zachary, Prarieville, or Covington offer a good quality of life, solid schools, easy access to gulf coast beaches, and almost no winter weather.

You'd be surprised how far the latter part of that statement would go in places like Illinois or Wisconsin. Both of those states have very good schools and pay their teachers very well.

Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
15909 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:05 am to
quote:

Teaching is a noble profession

Yeah so noble to get every holiday and summer off along with a pension after 20 years of service.
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4568 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:25 am to
"Come do the job of a full-time teacher for way, way less money!"

I think that strategy has a poor chance of success, but what do I know?
Posted by TrouserTrout
Member since Nov 2017
6425 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:31 am to
Get rid of the retirement and do 401K match like everything else. That will help reduce the massive burden on the school system budget.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112776 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:36 am to
K-12 education is not driven by free market forces like college is.
IE, a physics prof is making more than an Eng lit prof at the same college. Not true in a H.S.

So, if a really good HS chemistry teacher retires and collects pension and the only replacement is a moron the logical thing to do is rehire the old guy and let him keep his pension + salary. You're not losing money compared to hiring the moron.
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
12360 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:37 am to
My wife and I are both teachers. We researched where we wanted to live and two considerations were salary and cost of living.

LA was not even competitive.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67288 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:42 am to
The teacher shortage is less about pay and more about bureaucratic bs that teachers have to deal with in order to teach. Teaching children is already not an easy job, but all of the extra stuff they’re tasked with is such a pain that turnover is a big problem. The longer tenured teachers tough it out to retirement, but the younger ones get burnt out quickly and often leave.

Where pay is a problem is in shortages for specific kinds of teachers. The shortage is far more dire for hs math and science teachers than it is for elementary education, ela, or for history teachers. One reason is that they cannot offer to pay more for one type of hs teacher than another despite there being a substantial gap in the number of qualified interested persons to teach those subjects. It’s a lot more difficult to get certified as an AP level physics or chemistry teacher than it is to teach English or social studies, but they’re paid the same. Thus, there’s a perpetual shortage of those teachers with more specialized qualifications.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
53076 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:54 am to
quote:

This just shows how much Louisiana values its teachers both active and retirees.


If covid has taught us one thing, it's that teachers love to bitch about money, while not really producing. Sure there is the outlier that actually gives a shite about the kids, but mostly, they just want to be called "heroes" and demand a paycheck for not working.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 9:59 am
Posted by Nicky Parrish
Member since Apr 2016
7098 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:04 am to
JBE’s wife was a teacher. Everything’s gonna be alright.
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