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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:08 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:08 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
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#2) no, I am drawing a conclusion that NATO has a history of being aggressive. Then after promising they wouldn’t build up on Russia’s border, they reverse course and accept NATO
This never happened. In fact, one of the few signed agreements between Russia and NATO explicitly states that NATO will expand without regard for Russian protests.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:11 pm to crazy4lsu
Crazy.
What is the last word in the Ghandi image in your signature, it looks like it says Lads, but does it say Lada? Bad eyesight, sorry.
And what does that mean? I've never heard the phrase before.
What is the last word in the Ghandi image in your signature, it looks like it says Lads, but does it say Lada? Bad eyesight, sorry.
And what does that mean? I've never heard the phrase before.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:11 pm to CitizenK
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Tucker Carlson has been a fanboy of Putin for awhile.
How, by not trusting Zalenskyy?
You are going to have to link me these instances, or, like low-t boy, you are going to exposed as being a liar. Tucker is easy to link, so support what you post.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:12 pm to crazy4lsu
An Australian ???? Bushmaster Protected Mobility Vehicle with an American Mk. 19 Mod 3 automatic grenade launcher currently deployed by the Ukrainian army in the vicinity of Izium, #Kharkiv Oblast.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1568946408023097344?s=20&t=LvT2aMWfH8fUJQTAOFJ72Q
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1568946408023097344?s=20&t=LvT2aMWfH8fUJQTAOFJ72Q
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:14 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:Bruh, let's be real. Half the OT has more net worth than Joe fricking Biden
and 10% will be going to “the BIG GUY.”
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:15 pm to TBoy
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The more aggressive pundits on Fox News and other right wing media came out in direct support of Russia.
Let’s try this again...
quote:
Links, or I am going to straight up call you out for lying.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:15 pm to jimmy the leg
i admit, i don't watch Tucker as much as I used to, so I don't know how he leans regarding Putin. I do recall seeing headlines that he was being critical of Ukraine in some form. Sorry I didn't pay that much attention so I can't recall where I saw those, It would have been on Rantingly, Drudge, Free Republic, or the Poliboard.
It could easily have been Tucker being critical of Biden/Zelensky/Ukraine corruption.
It could easily have been Tucker being critical of Biden/Zelensky/Ukraine corruption.
This post was edited on 9/11/22 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:15 pm to Palantir
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Bruh, let's be real. Half the OT has more net worth than Joe fricking Biden
Just half?
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:16 pm to Chromdome35
You think they trust China to cover that side of the country if all out war starts?
Serious question, just talking tactics.
I'm impressed with the knowledge on what they have and what they are using.
Serious question, just talking tactics.
I'm impressed with the knowledge on what they have and what they are using.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:16 pm to Realityintheface
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You want it cleaned up. I say take an insult like a fricking man and not a pussy calling for this place to be “cleaned up”. I’m for free speech. Liberal to Conservative you got the right. You are not for free speech. frick you.
I’m absolutely, 100% in favor of free speech, in that I would condemn any government restrictions on speech. But private entities and private communities can and should curate their communities.
But the reality is that you agree with that, too. Or would you be cool with my walking into your church mid service and start spouting off at the mouth?
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:16 pm to TacoNash
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Bushmaster Protected Mobility Vehicle with an American Mk. 19 Mod 3 automatic grenade launcher currently deployed by the Ukrainian army in the vicinity of Izium, #Kharkiv Oblast.
Hey a fighting vehicle with tires!!!!!!!
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:17 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:I'm being extremely conservative
Just half?
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:18 pm to Chromdome35
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But that could easily have been Tucker being critical of Biden/Zelensky/Ukraine corruption.
This would be me as well.
To the goose-steppers in here that makes me a Putin fanboy.
Yet I state that:
1. I believe Russia to be the aggressor
2. frick Putin (stated repeatedly in this thread).
3. Ukraine, while not innocent, is the victim.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:20 pm to MoarKilometers
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IF it was gonna happen, wouldn't the attackers be the ones attempting to rewrite history???
Russia said to get rid of Nazis. Putin's favorite mercs, Wagner Group was founded by a Neo Nazi and named it for Hitler's favorite composer.
Russia began encroaching on Crimea almost 2 decades ago by building a dam from their side to a Ukrainian island in the middle of the straits. The island's populace requested military help for the government, so a base was established there way before 2014. They asked for Bazookas and got a base instead, not a large one by any means but at least a presence.
Ukraine had signed multi billion dollar deals each with Chevron, Exxon and Shell to develop its tight shale oilfields in early 2014, then Russia invaded and the agreements were cancelled.
I forget which politard idiot claimed that Ukraine siphoned oil and gas from Russia. Russia pays royalities to Ukraine for the original main natural gas line to Europe, the Brotherhood Pipeline. It also pays royalties to Ukraine for any crude oil pipelines going through its territory. Ukraine buys natural gas and did buy crude oil from Russia but after 2014, it ceased buying crude oil. It's refineries haven't been operating at all since around 2014 except for one which operates at times but mostly shutdown. The one in Odessa is even owned by Russian Lukoil.
As far as "biolabs" Russia had at least 2 dozen in Ukraine before it declared its independence. These biolabs were to develop biological weapons. Russia had quite a few also in Kazakhstan as well. The USA helped guide them in cleaning these up. FTR, the lab which tells you anything from a blood, saliva, urine or biopsy sample is a biolab.
You really ought to educate yourself beyond nutter talk from alt news websites and posters.
We already know that Russia had ACTIVELY been behind the
"Renewable Energy" movement and not only funded but gave talking points to stop "Tar Sands" development expansion by stopping pipelines from being built. It's only beenn done in Canada since the first upgrader was built during WWII to provide synthetic crude for the war effort. It was also behind the "anti fracking" movement.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:22 pm to Lakeboy7
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Hey a fighting vehicle with tires!!!!!!!
Yea but they need to learn from the Russians on how to hide the vehicles behind some twigs
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:22 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:23 pm to Palantir
quote:
I'm being extremely conservative
with the OT, the Sonics puts as much bacon on your burger as you want!
But not for Gravy...
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:23 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
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USA didn’t have a very nice response when nukes were stockpiled at our doorstep. Is it really that unreasonable for Russia to have a negative reaction? Particularly after they were told this wouldn’t happen?
Do you acknowledge that Russia completely ignored the agreement they agreed to - where Russia and US would respect Ukraines borders in response to Ukraine giving up nukes?
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:23 pm to jimmy the leg
A large chunk was deployment of troops and equipment in Poland when Russia started threatening nukes. Ukraine has gotten very little of the money ALLOCATED (but not yet spent) It has been doled out a spoonful at a time.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:25 pm to vilma4prez
It will put China in a severe bind.
I'll have to see if I can find it again, I read a thread today that was discussing the Russia/China relationship and how much strain it is under due to Russia's ham-handed war effort.
I'm not trying to avoid answering, but I really don't know. I do think China will play the long game and make whatever decision (US or Russia)is in their best interest at the time they have to make it.
China's economy is much more linked to ours than it is to Russia's. Any Chinese decision-making will have that at the top of their list of factors to consider.
Would they go so far as to invade Russia, no I don't think they will do that? They really don't have to do much but sit there. In a full-blown war, NATO doesn't need to cross Chinese territory to do anything. That gives China a clear path to staying neutral, which is what I think they will do.
I think that what China has seen out of US warfighting capabilities in Ukraine is going to cause China to proceed a little more cautiously in regard to Taiwan. They need some time to incorporate the lessons learned into their military...once that happens, who knows.
ETA: This is the link to the thread about China/Russia relationship I mentioned above.
https://twitter.com/HalBrands/status/1568622130916429824
I'll have to see if I can find it again, I read a thread today that was discussing the Russia/China relationship and how much strain it is under due to Russia's ham-handed war effort.
I'm not trying to avoid answering, but I really don't know. I do think China will play the long game and make whatever decision (US or Russia)is in their best interest at the time they have to make it.
China's economy is much more linked to ours than it is to Russia's. Any Chinese decision-making will have that at the top of their list of factors to consider.
Would they go so far as to invade Russia, no I don't think they will do that? They really don't have to do much but sit there. In a full-blown war, NATO doesn't need to cross Chinese territory to do anything. That gives China a clear path to staying neutral, which is what I think they will do.
I think that what China has seen out of US warfighting capabilities in Ukraine is going to cause China to proceed a little more cautiously in regard to Taiwan. They need some time to incorporate the lessons learned into their military...once that happens, who knows.
ETA: This is the link to the thread about China/Russia relationship I mentioned above.
https://twitter.com/HalBrands/status/1568622130916429824
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If Russia's battlefield situation in Ukraine is as bad as it seems, it will create serious dilemmas for China. A thread:
My view has long been that: a) Xi Jinping is probably dismayed that Putin launched such a ham-handed, incompetent invasion of Ukraine so soon after signing the "no limits" declaration; in part because
b) that invasion has already created strategic blowback for Beijing (more US/democratic concern about Taiwan, increased defense spending in Indo-Pacific, explicit threats of sanctions if China comes to Russia's rescue);
but c) Beijing cannot calmly sit by and see Russia defeated in Ukraine, because that will lead (at a minimum) to a severely weakened Russia that is a less useful ally and less able to distract Washington, and (at a maximum) could create political instability in Moscow.
At an extreme, of course, political instability in Moscow could create instability within the "strategic partnership" in which Xi has invested so much.
This, by the way, was why America's best option for sticking it to China right now has always been to ensure that Russia loses in Ukraine--it leaves Xi in a place where we have no good options.
We will soon see whether this judgment about China's role in the Ukraine crisis is correct.
You can bet that, as Russia's position deteriorates, Putin will look for increased Chinese support. If Beijing doesn't find a way of providing some such support, we could see greater strains in the Sino-Russian partnership sooner than many analysts imagined.
Either way, what is happening in Ukraine is not at all good for China--and it shows how the distinctions we sometimes try to draw between theaters can be a bit artificial. END
This post was edited on 9/11/22 at 8:48 pm
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