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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/26/24 at 1:03 pm to No Colors
Posted on 9/26/24 at 1:03 pm to No Colors
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Nothing except trillions of dollars of wealth down the drain.
I used to think that way...
but go back to the periods where the American economy was the strongest, and they were times when those industries were firing on all cylinders and the employment and tax windfalls created fueled all those things you mention and America and its population flourished. A difference is not wasting money on crap defense projects, which we've done a lot of, lately.
I'm am a "Leftist." That should tell you my priorities. But the way this country is set up, we could cut military spending out completely and all of those problems would still exist, until people are determined to make corporations and the superwealthy pay their fair percentage of taxes. That used to be the focus of the working class in the Democratic Party. Now the urban wealthy have become Democrats on Social issue grounds, and the working class and rural people have become Republicans on Social issues but didn't bring their economic agenda with them... so we don't have any political party that will do what is needed to put us on the right economic path.
No matter how much domestic spending is cut, we never get into the black, do we? Clinton came close as far as eliminating the deficit, and he got lucky with the .com explosion allowing him to raise taxes on the beneficiaries of that at just the right time... then that industry came down to earth.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 2:02 pm to No Colors
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Uh. Nothing except trillions of dollars of wealth down the drain.
Investing money in infrastructure, research, education, Healthcare, trade, manufacturing, etc grows the economy permanently, and leads to a higher standard of living. And, interestingly....fewer wars.
Spending money on bombs and tanks and things that go Boom gives the economy a quick sugar high. But long term growth, infrastructure, demographics, innovation, they all suffer in a war time economy. And wars become cyclical and almost always lead to.....more wars!
That's why I think Russia should go home and rejoin the world economy. They could spend money on paved roads and indoor plumbing, rather than wasting a generation trying to capture more Ukrainian farm land.
And then another generation building back what they destroyed to achieve their goals.
It's madness.
I don't really disagree with anything you said, btw...
but all it takes is one or two bad actors, and others are encouraged.
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That's why I think Russia should go home and rejoin the world economy.
That would not be in Putin's self-interest. He's already probably the wealthiest man in the world because everything in Russia is his... he doesn't give a shite about his citizens with outhouses... all that matters to him is that he stays in power, stays in charge of it all, and that means doing risky or insane things (in our view) to keep that position. That means surrounding Russia with puppet states run by strongmen underlings...both as a defensive buffer and to prevent those underprivileged Russian masses from observing and imagining anything better for themselves and getting any rebellious ideas.
Same with the Kims in North Korea.
The same now - with a different tact focused on conquering the world economically - with Xi in China.
BTW - just something most people don't think about, but our university systems and research are all basically funded by the Pentagon when it comes down to it. Noam Chomsky always said "I'm a Linguistics professor and researcher at M.I.T. I work for the Pentagon, essentially... all of our research is funded in the hopes something gives the US military an edge in some way. That's how it all works underneath the surface. And any breakthroughs at our Universities are basically transferred to some preferred Corporate partners. That's the hustle."
Our interstate system was built so the military could quickly mobilize and travel great distances, not for private citizens to use or even for the trucking industry.
Cynically, I don't think anything was ever done solely for the enrichment of citizen's lives...
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 9/26/24 at 2:25 pm to Auburn1968
Didn’t know we had an ACE?
Posted on 9/26/24 at 2:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
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but the reality is that very few American voters care very much about this conflict -- it's very, very far down the list of issues that matter to voters as they go to the polls.
You know what the American people care about? The ECONOMY and INFLATION that Biden/Harris devastated the middle class with and the US BORDER which they allowed an illegal invasion while cooking up a plan of getting those people in to eventually make them voters. While spending billions of taxpayer dollars on these illegals. That is a slap in the face of any US taxpayer. It is wrong and those two should be held accountable for allowing it. It is nothing but TREASON. No other country in the world does this.
I hope Trump landslides the bitch.
As far as Trump and Russia? How much land did Putin take during Trump's first term? What about Bush? What about Obama? What about Biden/Harris?
And as far as Putin invading the Baltics or Poland. Remember the Domino Theory that was pushed during the Vietnam War? That was another neocon lie. Does anyone believe that Putin will invade Poland after his losses in Ukraine? That is laughable.
As far as the sanctions on Russia, have they worked? It is evident to anyone who is honest that Russia has found multiple methods to get around those sanctions through countries like India and China. Even some EU countries are guilty of helping them as well, take a look at Greece. What tough measures have the US and the EU taken to stop this? NOTHING.
This was never about Ukraine winning. The policies of Biden/Harris have proven that. The US and the EU have never been serious regarding this conflict. THIS WAS A PROXY WAR TO DAMAGE RUSSIA that made alot of companies and people money. And who has paid the price? The people of Ukraine. They have been used.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 9/26/24 at 3:05 pm to SLIPSHITE
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Didn’t know we had an ACE?
Saw interview of him on YouTube some months back. He said he'd like to join the fight.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 3:09 pm to CitizenK
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His former chief of staff, McMasters, said he would. Also, gave him credit for Ukraine having Javelins instead of just blankets That was a month ago
Trump also supported the last big Ukraine aid bill. Curious that is.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 3:30 pm to Lee B
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But there's a difference between outright trolling and intelligent, productive discussion (especially when the trolling might as well just be cut-and-paste stuff it's so repetitive and only done to derail things and aggravate posters for a laugh.
Let the trolls starve and they get bored and go elsewhere where they get traction.
That is rich coming from you Leon. You have pushed an agenda on here from the first day that you posted. And you have the nerve to get on here and lecture about trolls when you have been engaged in politics as much as anyone.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 3:37 pm to AU86
Having a different opinion on politics is not "trolling." Well, to you it is...
Posted on 9/26/24 at 3:39 pm to Auburn1968
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Trump also supported the last big Ukraine aid bill. Curious that is.
One of those Russian oligarchs he's in debt to called in a marker?
Posted on 9/26/24 at 4:01 pm to Lee B
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One of those Russian oligarchs he's in debt to called in a marker?
This is what a troll looks like.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 4:02 pm to AU86
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The ECONOMY and INFLATION that Biden/Harris devastated the middle class with and the US BORDER which they allowed an illegal invasion while cooking up a plan of getting those people in to eventually make them voters. While spending billions of taxpayer dollars on these illegals.
This is a troll
Posted on 9/26/24 at 4:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
I told you guys what Trump’s stance on Ukraine would be months ago. It was painfully easy to predict
Posted on 9/26/24 at 4:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
Trump just announced he is meeting with Zelenskyy tomorrow morning in Trump Tower.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 4:38 pm to GOP_Tiger
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This is a troll
Nope it is a fact.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 4:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
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One of those Russian oligarchs he's in debt to called in a marker?
This is what a troll looks like.
guilty as charged.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 4:46 pm to AU86
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Trump just announced he is meeting with Zelenskyy tomorrow morning in Trump Tower.
Yes, this is excellent news. Perhaps Zelensky can undo some of the damage that's happened over the last three days (some of it is his fault and some not, IMO).
Posted on 9/26/24 at 4:46 pm to AU86
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Nope it is a fact.
Lots of facts are trolls. It certainly wasn't about the war in Ukraine.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 4:50 pm to VolSquatch
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I told you guys what Trump’s stance on Ukraine would be months ago. It was painfully easy to predict
And I always agreed with you and Sir Winston on that one...
Though I will not be surprised if he meets with Zelenskyy tomorrow, Zelenskyy appeals to whatever he needs to needs to appeal to in Trump's psyche (he is an actor, after all) and Trump makes statements that are different following that...
Trump is unpredictable, but you can't depend on that!
Posted on 9/26/24 at 4:58 pm to AU86
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Trump needs to record every second of that meeting.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 5:01 pm
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