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Starting a freshwater aquarium for my son.. crash course?

Posted on 12/28/21 at 6:56 pm
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/28/21 at 6:56 pm
We have a 40 gallon tank that I recently pulled out and cleaned up.. I got the gravel, the filter, the heater, and the lights for it.. I’m going to build a table for it tomorrow and fill it with water to begin cycling the tank…

I’ve never done this before.. any tips?? Any tips or tricks y’all wanna share? I’ve been doing a little reading on it and to be honest, it seems a little more involved than I thought..

as far as fish, we have freshwater ponds and bayous around my house that my son and I like to frequent, and we always have caught little baby bluegill, bass, and catfish and brought them home for him to keep in one of those small blue pools. We had aerators set up in them but the fish never lasted long, I’m guessing due to water temperature and quality


But if anybody has any tips that y’all want to share, I’m all ears. Thanks!
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 7:01 pm to
do yourself a favor and start with a goldfish, and only get minimal accessories, if its still alive in a year then he might be able to keep an aquarium of several fish alive
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34766 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 7:04 pm to
Well he’s 8, so I’m gonna be taking care of it
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
18060 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 7:08 pm to
We had a guppy tank for a year or two. All died eventually because I didn’t change the water enough I presume. Pain in the arse but fun if you get it right
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
15372 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 7:39 pm to
quote:

any tips that y’all want to share


Get a good test kit and cycle the tank before you add any fish.

Nitrogen cycle. How to cycle an aquarium.

Perform regular water changes. It’ll keep the tank healthy.

ETA: I guess I glossed over the part in your first paragraph where you said you’d start cycling the tank.

I bought this stuff called Dr. Tim’s ammonium chloride a long time ago. It came with pretty simple instructions and after the tank was cycled I had zero problems putting fish in.

Also, don’t add too many fish at once.
This post was edited on 12/28/21 at 7:44 pm
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1895 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 7:47 pm to
I’ve been around fish tanks my whole life. Do you know anyone with a fish tank? If you take their filter material and rinse it or wring it out in your tank it will cycle almost immediately. Or when they do a water change, transfer 5 gallons in to your tank. Or throw in a handful of cheap feeder goldfish. All ways to cycle your tank.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/28/21 at 7:51 pm to
Check your state laws on keeping wildlife in your aquarium before posting it on a forum that greenjeans reads.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25518 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 7:55 pm to
1. Cycle the tank, which can be done before adding fish or with appropriately hardy fish to start.

2. Proper filtration, particularly mechanical and biological (end goal of cycling your tank).

3. Regular, partial water changes (25% every couple weeks or so depending on bioload of your tank, 50-75% on a big day maybe once a year).

4. Appropriate bioload for your tank size (number of fish).

5. Give places to hide/establish territory.

6. Properly acclimate fish to the tank before adding, try to do so with the lowest lift conditions as possible to reduce stress.

7. I’d go with store bought fish for ease of getting them to eat, wild fish might not adapt to captive feeding well.



Things off the top of my head, not necessarily in numerical order of operations.
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
4362 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 8:06 pm to
I had an aquarium with native fish a few years when I was a kid,I enjoyed it.Baby bream,bass,catfish,tiny crawfish and grass shrimp.Pumpkiseed bream are as pretty as any tropical fish but they were mean little suckers,would harass all the other fish.I would buy some water grass at the dime store,pretty sure it was hydrilla.Guess that was how it got started in lakes.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 8:36 pm to
Some good and bad advice in here.

I wouldnt keep local fish such as bass, sunfish, etc. Most are very mean and with a 40 gallon, they are too much fish for that size of a tank.

Dont get a pleco. They dont clean anything. They do the opposite

Do a water change at least once a week. On a tank that size, it should only be a few minutes.

I would get a small group of schooling tetras. They look good, are small, and is a good fish for kids to watch. With them as a medium or upper level group of fish, you can get a small amount of small catfish like a Cory.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59185 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 8:53 pm to
I loved raising guppies as a kid. The whole live birth thing was cool. Then praying mom and dad don’t eat em all.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
43791 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 9:06 pm to
native freshwater fish are voracious predators. What that means is that they eat a lot, they make a huge mess and they are dicks to each other

40 gallons isn’t big enough for panfish, etc. I had a 110 gal tank with bream, bass and a striped gar that was cool as shite when it was clean and I was home every day but as soon as you leave for a weekend they’d either jumped out, massacred each other or destroyed the inside of the tank

so they are a lot of work, but like I said, really cool to watch
Posted by jojothetireguy
Live out in Coconut Grove
Member since Jan 2009
10539 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 9:18 pm to
I started one for my seven year old in June last year. 29 gallon tank, 2 guppies, 3 danios a red tail shark(very cool) and a blue lobster(crawfish, complete a-hole) . Cycled for a week added fish and do weekly water changes. Rarely have I changed out the filter. If you do a filter change leave the old one in for at least a week with the new filter to keep the good bacteria going.
This post was edited on 12/28/21 at 9:20 pm
Posted by bubba102105
Member since Aug 2017
504 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:11 pm to
Start with a handful of goldfish to cycle the tank. Should take about a month or so. Get a water test kit and check it a couple times a week. Once your water test good feel free to add whatever. I'd definitely go with something from pet store rather than local pond. Lots of cool options though. Don't overcrowd it once you start adding fish. Pretty self sustaining after a while. Have a 55 gallon up and running for about 5 years now
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2515 posts
Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:16 pm to
I currently have a 40 gallon tank with a 5” bass in it. It keeps my 7 year old busy catching things to feed it. Today we watched it chase a crawfish around the tank before finally swallowing it. Make sure you condition the water if using tap and let it circulate for a good month before introducing a fish to it. I clean the filter at least once a week and replace half of the water once a month. I don’t plan on adding any other fish with it and once it gets around 8” we’ll throw it in the pond and start over.


Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34766 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:29 am to
Really cool, thanks for posting. That’s exactly what my son wants to do.. we fish all the time together, but he watches a few of those kids on YouTube that turn backyard pools into ponds, and that got him started on this idea

I figured what the hell.. not too expensive, the fish are free, and we’ll spend time together messing with this



My uncle had a 85 gallon salt water eco system when I was a kid. Talk about cool.. had everything in it that we could catch from the bayou… it was like an exhibit at an aquarium. You could watch that thing for hours


Think I’d have any issue with bass/perch in there at the same time? I’ve seen mixed reviews on the web. (Fishing freshwater almost all my life, I feel like I should know this )

I’ve also seen suggestions on getting some sort of bottom feeder to help keep the tank clean. Is that a decent idea?
This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 12:32 am
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 1:46 am to
quote:

Think I’d have any issue with bass/perch in there at the same time


A good rule of thumb when keeping aggressive fish is don’t put anything small enough to fit in the predator fish’s mouth in the tank with it. 40 gallons isn’t a lot of water, so the bass may stress the perch out until it dies.

quote:

I’ve also seen suggestions on getting some sort of bottom feeder to help keep the tank clean. Is that a decent idea?


Plecos are some of my favorite fish. They’re super interesting and will help keep your tank clean, but there’s no substitute for quality filtration and water changes. On a 40 gallon tank, I wouldn’t put anything less than a 100 gallon canister filter, especially if you’re going to keep multiple fish that produce a lot of waste like bass. I’d recommend the Fluval 406.


Did you already place gravel in the tank? If you have, don’t worry about it, but if not, get some pool filter sand and use that in place of gravel. Much easier to clean and gives a more natural look to the tank.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34766 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 2:02 am to
I have the fluval filter that’s rated for a 70 gallon tank so I think I should be ok.. that filter sand looks cool, wish I would have thought of that. My son already picked out the gravel though so we are gonna roll with that
This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 2:03 am
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 2:20 am to
Sounds like you’re good to go. Pick up some Seachem Prime and Stability for water changes. Don’t get discouraged if you have an algae outbreak while you’re cycling your tank. That’s actually a sign of a healthy tank environment.
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2515 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 2:26 am to
I had a few small perch and a catfish together and they didn’t bother each other. When we lost power after the storm I released them back into the pond. I wouldn’t put anything with the bass because it attacks everything including me when I clean the glass. I wanted a smaller bass like a fingerling but he caught this one and wanted to keep it and he’s done well so far. I had a sacalait at one time but it was very picky about what it would eat. I had the perch eating goldfish flakes with no problem. The bass destroys anything it can fit it’s mouth around.
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