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Houston will drop your charges after illegal LEO activity, but they'll keep your property
Posted on 11/7/22 at 7:20 am
Posted on 11/7/22 at 7:20 am
"Law and Order" TOTD
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Even in cases that hinged on the trustworthiness of demonstrably untrustworthy cops, The Houston Chronicle reports, prosecutors so far have chosen to keep nearly all of the property seized from defendants. That striking contradiction illustrates the lax rules governing civil asset forfeiture, which allows police and prosecutors to pad their budgets by confiscating allegedly crime-tainted property.
The Chronicle identified "three dozen instances in recent years in which an indicted member of the Squad 15 narcotics unit swore to the facts used to justify a search leading to a cash or vehicle confiscation." The loot, collected over a five-year period, included about $75,000 in cash and several cars. "Records show some or all of the money confiscated during the busts was returned in five cases," the Chronicle reports, "typically after defendants hired lawyers to challenge the forfeitures." But the county has kept the rest of the money and the cars, even though prosecutors consider the evidence that led to the seizures unreliable because it was offered by cops with a record of making stuff up.
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The Texas Supreme Court underlined that distinction in 2016, when it concluded that the exclusionary rule, which bars the admission of illegally obtained evidence, does not apply to civil actions under Chapter 59, a state law authorizing "forfeiture of contraband."
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The lead plaintiffs in the proposed class action are a Mississippi couple, Ameal Woods and Jordan Davis, who were robbed of $42,300 after they were pulled over by sheriff's deputies on Interstate 10 in May 2019. Woods and Davis were on their way to Houston, where Woods planned to spend the money on a tractor and a trailer for his trucking business. The deputies ostensibly stopped them because they were following another vehicle too closely, although Woods, who was driving, was not cited for that alleged offense. Instead, the cops made off with the couple's life savings.
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The forfeiture petition claimed a drug-detecting dog alerted to the money. But no such dog was present during the stop, which means this alleged canine inspection must have occurred after the deputies already had seized the cash, supposedly based on probable cause to believe it was related to illegal activity. Research has found that as much as 90 percent of U.S. currency carries traces of cocaine, which therefore hardly counts as evidence that the current owner is involved in drug dealing.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 7:25 am to SlowFlowPro
I have been saying for quite some time that conservatives need to abandon their knee-jerk support for the police. The police aren't your friends. They are in arm of the government which means they are just as prone to corruption and have the added awesomeness of having virtually zero accountability due to qualified immunity
Posted on 11/7/22 at 7:27 am to SlowFlowPro
While I'm not a defund the police type, I am for rolling backs laws that are easy for police to abuse.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 7:31 am to NM Tiger 67
Yeah sadly a lot of “conservatives” give a blank check and turn a blind eye to bad policing. Luckily tide has turned a little and people are starting to see.
Cameras changed it for the better, they don’t want to be held accountable.
Cameras changed it for the better, they don’t want to be held accountable.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 7:34 am to SlowFlowPro
The police work for the government.
Gentleman who planned to buy a tractor/trailer in Houston should had done a wire transfer or bank draft. It is unwise to carry that large amount of cash anywhere at any time.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 7:36 am to SantaFe
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Gentleman who planned to buy a tractor/trailer in Houston should had done a wire transfer or bank draft. It is unwise to carry that large amount of cash anywhere at any time.
You sound like residents of Nola who tell victims of crime they should have known better than to be at x-area at y-time.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 7:36 am to SantaFe
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It is unwise to carry that large amount of cash anywhere at any time.
Agree.
But in a free country, one can do unwise things.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 7:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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the exclusionary rule, which bars the admission of illegally obtained evidence, does not apply to civil actions under Chapter 59, a state law authorizing "forfeiture of contraband."
Try introducing "illegally obtained evidence" against the cops for any reason and see how fast you are shut down and buried. Hell, try presenting legally obtained evidence against them and see the same results.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Civil asset forfeiture laws have to be completely repealed across the board. I'm fine with letting the 1% of cases where it may be justified falling by the wayside to protect literally hundreds of thousands of innocent people that have been victimized by it over the last several decades.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:28 am to BengalOnTheBay
LINK here is a good movie clip of an asset forfeiture. the crooks usually deal in cash money. maybe the laws need to be tightened but the crooks need to have the cash forfeited.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
Wow! Louisiana beat them to this by 20+ years!
https://www.ndsn.org/FEB97/LOUSIANA.html
https://www.ndsn.org/FEB97/LOUSIANA.html
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Louisiana law enforcement officers have been stopping motorists without cause and illegally seizing money and property from them, according to a January 3 broadcast of the NBC news magazine, "Dateline"
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Hidden cameras used to record searches and seizures showed police officers stopping the TV crew for "violations" they did not commit and asking crew members how much money they had
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Under state law, to sue for a return of their seized assets, uncharged citizens must pay the highest bond in the nation -- 10% of the property's value or $2,500, whichever is greater.
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The burden of proving their innocence is on the citizens.
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The distribution of seized assets also came under fire in the NBC program. In Louisiana, 60% of seizure proceeds goes to the law enforcement agency that seized the property, 20% goes to the district attorney, and the remaining 20% goes to state judges' judicial expense fund.
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a district attorney used seized money to buy an aquarium for his office.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:19 am to SantaFe
quote:Lots of things are unwise, but legal, including carrying cash.
It is unwise to carry that large amount of cash anywhere at any time.
I've had instances where either I purchased a car, boat or motorcycle or someone purchased from me, and it was done by cash transaction. I put the cash in my gun safe, but if I need to travel with large amounts of cash to make a purchase, it is locked in a portable safe, with a ledger showing purchases and sales to account for the cash along with names and addresses, VIN numbers and duplicates of the titles for vehicles I sold and the vehicles I've purchased. I keep a duplicate ledger and the receipts/titles in my safe at home, just in case I run across an overeager LE bent on breaking the law.
The only way into either safe is by the police obtaining a warrant.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:21 am to NM Tiger 67
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I have been saying for quite some time that conservatives need to abandon their knee-jerk support for the police. The police aren't your friends. They are in arm of the government which means they are just as prone to corruption and have the added awesomeness of having virtually zero accountability due to qualified immunity
I’ve felt so alone saying this the past 10yrs
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Civil Asset Forfeiture is such a no-brainer, it needs to be completely repealed
I don't care how many criminals get to keep their ill gotten gains if the State can't prove guilt
All revenue gathered through should go into the State's general fund, no Agency should have any financial incentive to fine anyone
I don't care how many criminals get to keep their ill gotten gains if the State can't prove guilt
All revenue gathered through should go into the State's general fund, no Agency should have any financial incentive to fine anyone
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