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My how the chickens have come home to roost!

Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:28 pm
Posted by Dirk Dawgler
Where I Am
Member since Nov 2011
3403 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:28 pm
Remember just 3-5 years ago how the majority of posters were circle jerking on how college football players were so oppressed and needed to get paid big time money. Remember when an education and degree program valued at $120k+, free access to top notch nutrition and healthcare programs and access to the best strength and conditioning programs as well as expert training and development to prepare for a shot at the professional level were just not fair? Most of the people now calling this shite “insane” and “absurd” and “out of control” and saying “frick it just shut it down” were all in on this bullshite just a few years ago.

If you are one of these people who somehow couldn’t see a few years ago what was going to come out of that Pandora’s box once the Rubicon was crossed, are you happy with where it has gone? Any regrets or second thoughts?
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
34657 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:45 pm to
I just wanted players to be given a small stipend and be able to make money from selling personalized memorabilia and endorsements from local businesses. I never imagined that they would create a system which creates bidding wars for top recruits and transfers. Plus I've always hated the idea of allowing everyone to get free transfers. Players should only be granted a free transfer if they're a graduate. The current system they have in place right now is awful.
Posted by WylieTiger
Member since Nov 2006
13927 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:57 pm to
It’s a pure Capitalistic environment at this point. Let it continue and the market will settle. No need to over regulate it. Let it ride.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
125813 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:59 pm to
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It’s a pure Capitalistic environment at this point. Let it continue and the market will settle.


Agree. At some point these NIL collectives will want an actual return on investment and money will drop
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
7297 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:59 pm to
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Let it continue and the market will settle. No need to over regulate it. Let it ride.


This is my sentiment at the moment. I believe it will balance out eventually.

If in 5-7 years it is still looking like it does now, or has gotten worse, then I'll start worrying or stop caring.
Posted by Dawg7730
Member since Mar 2021
2486 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:08 pm to
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I just wanted players to be given a small stipend and be able to make money from selling personalized memorabilia and endorsements from local businesses. I never imagined that they would create a system which creates bidding wars for top recruits and transfers. Plus I've always hated the idea of allowing everyone to get free transfers. Players should only be granted a free transfer if they're a graduate. The current system they have in place right now is awful.


In other words, you were in a fantasy land. Any person with a brain knew any sort of pay system would be taken advantage of and corrupted.
Posted by thejuiceisloose
Member since Nov 2018
5494 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:09 pm to
I would be more sympathetic to your rant if coaches and now even assistant coaches were not making millions a year. (Highest paid person public employee in the state in most cases)
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 11:10 pm
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
23407 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:30 pm to
I like it. College football is all about money so let the money flow.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
38096 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:23 am to
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It’s a pure Capitalistic environment at this point. Let it continue and the market will settle


Back to the haves and the haves not to an unbelievable degree with no regulation. Player's being screwed was actually healthy for the sport from a fan's viewpoint...it was trying to level the playing field as much as possible. With see no evil, hear no evil policy, this current system will exacerbate the divide...and the sport will be left to those who care to an unreasonable level.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 12:24 am
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
3266 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:07 am to
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Any person with a brain knew any sort of pay system would be taken advantage of and corrupted.
any person with a braim knew it was already happening. it's just in the open now. saban won bc he bought the players. simple as that.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
29194 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:22 am to
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football players were so oppressed


Only the retards(Westcoast and his ilk) and snow flake race made these claims on this board
Posted by TheMT83
Member since Oct 2023
246 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:30 am to
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I would be more sympathetic to your rant if coaches and now even assistant coaches were not making millions a year. (Highest paid person public employee in the state in most cases)


Exactly!! At the end of the day the NCAA, the schools, the conferences and the coaches have only themselves to blame for this situation.

NCAA and conferences signing TV contracts for hundreds of millions of dollars. Companies like EA Sports making millions of dollars off player's likeness without any compensation to the players. Local companies making millions off home football game weekends. Coaches making millions of dollars each year.

Only a fool would not expect that the players (the ones actually creating the product that was producing the money) wouldn't want in on the money.

Honestly at this point football just needs to be split off from all other sports. Drop the pretense of student athlete, no one really cares anyway. Just make them employees.

In many ways that would be better. The players wouldn't have to go to class anymore but they also wouldn't be offered a free education anymore either. They want to attend classes, they get the standard employee discount. They have to sign a year contract each year and have to contribute a certain amount premium to their medical insurance each paycheck and pay taxes. The schools can compete by how much they want to pay the player.

I don't like what college football is becoming but maybe if the NCAA, the conferences, the schools and the players didn't get utterly greedy and make millions off the sport this wouldn't have happened.

I think a split off is inevitable. You get about 60 now Division 1 FBS schools that formally split off from the NCAA for football and form their own superleague and it becomes NFL 0.5.

The other schools stay in the NCAA and all agree to largely go back to the old system and end the NIL stuff. So you'll have the smaller schools that will offer more of the traditional college football and then the big school will essentially offer NFL 0.5.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 6:33 am
Posted by Quatre Pot
Member since Jan 2015
1689 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:45 am to
I believe that there was a very logical way to make this work but the NCAA screwed the pooch.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21515 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:11 am to
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I like it. College football is all about money so let the money flow.


I disagree. I think the level of money that made college football what it is today grew from school pride. There was an irrational amount of money flowing into the programs which can only be explained by something irrational in terms of investment return.

There was a relationship there between players and fans that wasn’t purely transactional that I imagine will dissipate as the years go on, seems that way already.

Fan support is the primary revenue driver. Gambling has become a a prominent secondary driver in the past few years and will affect where things settle. How to see the level of revenue continuing, at least in the ways it has in the past.
Posted by angryslugs
Member since Apr 2008
10986 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:36 am to
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I just wanted players to be given a small stipend and be able to make money from selling personalized memorabilia and endorsements from local businesses. I never imagined that they would create a system which creates bidding wars for top recruits and transfers.


Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:40 am to
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any person with a braim knew it was already happening. it's just in the open now. saban won bc he bought the players. simple as that.


Good point, however, I think it's definitely worse now.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
54661 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:44 am to
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I just wanted players to be given a small stipend and be able to make money from selling personalized memorabilia and endorsements from local businesses. I never imagined that they would create a system which creates bidding wars for top recruits and transfer


lol

Now Baka has legit competition for one of their many forms of cheating.

Anyone with a pulse knew this was coming.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
39921 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:46 am to
I think most people are just pissed about the transfer portal and not NIL
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
16820 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:46 am to
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Remember just 3-5 years ago how the majority of posters were circle jerking on how college football players were so oppressed and needed to get paid big time money


No
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21515 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:52 am to
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Anyone with a pulse knew this was coming.


It’s true. Fact of the matter is there is just not that much money in a college players’ image or likeness. Most any that they have is tied strongly, if not directly, to the school.

The here are probably 5-10 total college athletes at any given time that could make significant money off their likeness.

So NIL has taken the role of paying for services, but the money doesn’t come from the entity that they are providing the services to. Disjointed system with misaligned interests.
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