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Why hasn't the Shanahan/Miami offense been widely adopted by college FB?
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:48 pm
Seems the NFL is littered with the Shanahan offense disciples and 5 of the top 7 NFL offense are curenrlty running that tree, yet it seems that offense is not seen much in CFB.
College seems to flush with Baylor/Briles offensive guys and Air Raid guys, but not the old Denver/Shannahan offense that routinely dominates NFL defenses.
Are these guys all in the NFL? Or is it too complicated for college?
College seems to flush with Baylor/Briles offensive guys and Air Raid guys, but not the old Denver/Shannahan offense that routinely dominates NFL defenses.
Are these guys all in the NFL? Or is it too complicated for college?
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 12:48 pm
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:50 pm to Jack Ruby
I don't know if the Shanahan offense can be thoroughly implemented into the college game
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:50 pm to Jack Ruby
I don’t think it’s a simple offense to run and you need good talent at oline, blocking tight ends, a fullback and running backs that have experience in a traditional offense. The Briles/Leach offenses are popular because you don’t need a lot of talent and it’s much simpler offense to run
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:53 pm to Jack Ruby
Well, first of all, you have to run a lot of it from under center and that's foreign to a lot of CFB offenses.
It can also be rather complicated, so it's too much to bring it over in total.
There are 2 poles to offensive complexity and you just referenced 2 of them
It can also be rather complicated, so it's too much to bring it over in total.
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College seems to flush with Baylor/Briles offensive guys and Air Raid guys, but not the old Denver/Shannahan offense that routinely dominates NFL defenses.
There are 2 poles to offensive complexity and you just referenced 2 of them
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:56 pm to Jack Ruby
12 personal is running rampant in college football?
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
Doesnt the Shanahan offense use a lot of zone blocking schemes on the Oline and the RBs read the gaps to huge success?
Could that concept alone not be implemented into CFB?
Could that concept alone not be implemented into CFB?
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:58 pm to Jack Ruby
Because not every college football team is going to have a defense as soft as the Broncos
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:00 pm to Jack Ruby
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Doesnt the Shanahan offense use a lot of zone blocking schemes on the Oline and the RBs read the gaps to huge success?
Could that concept alone not be implemented into CFB?
Are we talking Kyle here?
The 49ers run a mix of gap and zone schemes. That's what makes it difficult to defend, and also difficult to execute.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:33 pm to Jack Ruby
I think Michigan does a less complex version of this stuff
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:42 pm to Jack Ruby
Great college coaches succeed by out-recruiting everyone else, not by out-scheming them.
There are plenty of examples supporting this.
There are plenty of examples supporting this.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 2:36 pm to Jack Ruby
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Doesnt the Shanahan offense use a lot of zone blocking schemes on the Oline and the RBs read the gaps to huge success?
The traditional Mike Shanahan offense does, and the McVay version does but the modern (Kyle) Shanahan version is more versatile with gap concepts too.
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Could that concept alone not be implemented into CFB?
Have you never seen a zone-read or inside/outside zone?
Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:53 pm to Jack Ruby
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Doesnt the Shanahan offense use a lot of zone blocking schemes on the Oline and the RBs read the gaps to huge success? Could that concept alone not be implemented into CFB?
Uh yeah. It’s not that complicated to run zone blocking and have the rb read the hole.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:56 pm to Jack Ruby
Because college QBs are too underdeveloped to run it. If you get a highly recruited one it’s a sure bet he comes from the spread which teaches QBs nothing in HS and they’re not going to stick around long enough to be developed in a straight system like that.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:59 pm to Jack Ruby
Need a developed qb. Michigan is the closest to it
Posted on 9/25/23 at 5:12 pm to Jack Ruby
Do you know how complicated the WCO is? It takes at least 2 years for even the smartest QB's to get a hang of it.
You can adopt WCO principals in college offenses. Kiffin, Harbaugh & Sark are current examples. Chip Kelly also employed WCO principals in his offenses at Oregon, but you will never see a full-blown, Andy Reid, Shanahan, Mike McCarthy, Sean Peyton WCO in college just due to the sheer volume of the playbook.
You can adopt WCO principals in college offenses. Kiffin, Harbaugh & Sark are current examples. Chip Kelly also employed WCO principals in his offenses at Oregon, but you will never see a full-blown, Andy Reid, Shanahan, Mike McCarthy, Sean Peyton WCO in college just due to the sheer volume of the playbook.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 9/25/23 at 5:15 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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It’s not that complicated to run zone blocking and have the rb read the hole
This is an oversimplification.
Yes, Shanahan's run concepts are fairly simple, but his passing concepts/route trees are complicated AF.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 5:18 pm to Jack Ruby
It’s simplicity
You can go with 2 pass pros- slide and quick- and run 90% of the playbook.
Additionally, there are only about 9-12 core plays to learn. The vast majority of the rest of the offense is tags and options.
Very easy to master and execute and equally difficult to stop when executed well
You can go with 2 pass pros- slide and quick- and run 90% of the playbook.
Additionally, there are only about 9-12 core plays to learn. The vast majority of the rest of the offense is tags and options.
Very easy to master and execute and equally difficult to stop when executed well
Posted on 9/25/23 at 5:32 pm to Jack Ruby
When the gators eventually have to let Napier go for his anemic offense i would love a hire from the Shanny or McDaniel tree or what ever.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:47 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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This is an oversimplification.
Yes, Shanahan's run concepts are fairly simple, but his passing concepts/route trees are complicated AF.
Nope, he asked if the zone run scheme could be run at the college level. So that's what we were talking about.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:23 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Gotcha.
And I agree.
And I agree.
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