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re: Why are people ripping on Texas?
Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:22 pm to Smoke Ring
Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:22 pm to Smoke Ring
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It is one for all AND all for one.
Because those schools felt they could make more money for themselves by joining into that collectivist agreement.
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Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:30 pm to Cosmo
Texas got a heck of a deal with everything they put together recently. Unfortunately actions have consequences for Texas. They can do whatever they want to make more money for Texas but at what cost? Texas is finding out what happens when you look out only for #1 and get greedy. Oklahoma and TAMU are not going to sit around and watch.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:32 pm to Cosmo
I see what you are getting at and I agree at the fundamental level, but in sports "collectivist agreement" IS the standard. Across the board.
While I'm not on board w/ that, schools can choose which conference benefits them the most and that is what's happening now despite what UT thought after their TV deal. They thought they just "schooled" the rest of their conference and nobody would care.
While I'm not on board w/ that, schools can choose which conference benefits them the most and that is what's happening now despite what UT thought after their TV deal. They thought they just "schooled" the rest of their conference and nobody would care.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:33 pm to Cosmo
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Obama lovers who want to stick it to rich people they are jealous of.
poli board?
Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:42 pm to WiscyTiger
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poli board?
This is a political issue. Thats why the state legislature is involved.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:59 pm to Cosmo
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It is capitalism and I love it.
we don't live in a pure capitalistic state. it has been proven that doesn't work. just like it has been proven that a pure socialist state doesn't work. if pure capitalism is your mantra, go independent. the sec shares revenues equally; vanderbuilt gets the same dollars as alabama from the sec. attack that. we have the strongest conference in the country.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:10 pm to LSU GrandDad
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we don't live in a pure capitalistic state. it has been proven that doesn't work. just like it has been proven that a pure socialist state doesn't work. if pure capitalism is your mantra, go independent. the sec shares revenues equally; vanderbuilt gets the same dollars as alabama from the sec. attack that. we have the strongest conference in the country.
So you definitely hate capitalism considering revenue sharing is your preferred choice.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 8:20 am to LSU GrandDad
the sec shares revenues equally
Yes, this is just one part of the truth...the rest seems to keep getting left out of the discussion. WRT the Longhorn Network, it is simply Texas selling their 3rd tier television rights just as many SEC teams have done for years.
Texas was just one of both a 12 and 10 member league who voted for the sharing plan. The current 10 teams share equally 76%(est.) of conference revenue with the remainder split amongst the teams based on TV appearances. Why do so many complain that this is such an unfair advantage to Texas but don't mention Nebraska, OU and your new brethren A&M who enjoyed the same benefits? It seems like silly parroting from many without the facts which have made us out to be the scapegoat in this mess.
Here is a link to school broadcast revenue...
Business of College Sports
Notice that Bama and UF made about 6-7 million more than Ole Miss...do ya think either of those schools shared that income with the other SEC members to be fair? Hell No!!
So, since Texas was a big enough brand and was able to sell their 3rd tier rights to ESPN and package it as a school based network...we're the bad guys? Any school would do the same thing...and if not, you probably have the wrong people in charge.
Hook 'Em and with my first post
Yes, this is just one part of the truth...the rest seems to keep getting left out of the discussion. WRT the Longhorn Network, it is simply Texas selling their 3rd tier television rights just as many SEC teams have done for years.
Texas was just one of both a 12 and 10 member league who voted for the sharing plan. The current 10 teams share equally 76%(est.) of conference revenue with the remainder split amongst the teams based on TV appearances. Why do so many complain that this is such an unfair advantage to Texas but don't mention Nebraska, OU and your new brethren A&M who enjoyed the same benefits? It seems like silly parroting from many without the facts which have made us out to be the scapegoat in this mess.
Here is a link to school broadcast revenue...
Business of College Sports
Notice that Bama and UF made about 6-7 million more than Ole Miss...do ya think either of those schools shared that income with the other SEC members to be fair? Hell No!!
So, since Texas was a big enough brand and was able to sell their 3rd tier rights to ESPN and package it as a school based network...we're the bad guys? Any school would do the same thing...and if not, you probably have the wrong people in charge.
Hook 'Em and with my first post
Posted on 9/15/11 at 8:43 am to Cosmo
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It is capitalism and I love it.
true. and capitalism can be very destructive when greed takes hold.
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Posted on 9/15/11 at 8:46 am to Cosmo
Because they made the bed, now they have to lie in it. The network was the last straw, and that is something that there should have already been some rules in place for. Unfortunately, college football is moving too fast for the outdated NCAA. Schools should be on an even playing field and having your own network is really not fair. If no one was going to step in on that, then aTm needed to bolt. It's not coincidence that OU is looking around now that the ship is sinking, or that colorado and nebraska already left. What's the 1 common factor>? Oklahoma State? I don't think so.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 9:47 am to Smoke Ring
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Conferences, by their exact and required nature, are collectivist. It is one for all AND all for one. Texas is all for one and one for one, acting like an independent within the framework of a conference. In a captalist world, there are partnerships. True partnerships don't allow one partner to have side deals and not share. That's exactly what Texas wants.
A&M voted for uneven revenue sharing.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 9:53 am to CoonassatTEXAS
A&M voted for a different lhn than the one y'all rolled out.
frick y'all and your shitty network--we gone
frick y'all and your shitty network--we gone
Posted on 9/15/11 at 10:00 am to ATX Horn
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ATX Horn
Welcome and GFY!
Posted on 9/15/11 at 10:04 am to Gunner
^
This. ("This" referring to both TbirdSpurs' and Gunner's posts.)
This. ("This" referring to both TbirdSpurs' and Gunner's posts.)
Posted on 9/15/11 at 10:09 am to Cosmo
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Why are people ripping on Texas?
Cause they were penny wise, pound foolish.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 10:25 am to DP40
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UT bucks the system by getting more for themselves
EVERY MEMBER OF THE BIG 12 voted for schools to have control of their own 3rd tier rights (just like the ACC). OU and A&M voted for this knowing full well that Texas had an interest in starting its own network. The aggie AD talked at length in public about how he thought a single school network was impossible and how, even if it were to come about, it would make no more than a couple of million bucks a year. He was very wrong. OU put in a lot of capital improvements to start their own network but missed their goal of having it kick off this fall. Basically, Ou and A&M are wildly incompetent and they call Texas "arrogant" and "selfish" because it knows what it is doing.
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Texas is all for one and one for one, acting like an independent within the framework of a conference.
Texas is acting within the conference rules that everyone voted for......A&M voted for schools to have control of their 3rd tier rights an for the unequal method of sharing revenue. Are you saying Texas is to blame for how A&M voted?
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The network was the last straw, and that is something that there should have already been some rules in place for
There were rules in place. A&m voted to allow schools to own their 3rd tier rights. And last summer, after everything shook down and Neb & CU left, A&M was fine with Texas trying to having its own network, because he didn't think they would pull it off:
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The Aggie AD from June 16, 2010:
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Statement One: Texas is going to have a cable channel like the Big Ten Network that will give them even more money and recruiting advantages. After all, it was reported in orangebloods.com and many media outlets picked it up, so it must be true. Here are the facts. The bottom line is NOTHING HAS CHANGED! They could have had their own network for the last 14 years of the Big 12 and so could we or any member of the conference. Our friends have been bringing their Longhorn Sports Network television mic flags around for years. Their stand alone network has still not happened yet
Again, is Texas "selfish" and "arrogant" because the aggie AD doesn't know his industry?
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A&M voted for a different lhn than the one y'all rolled out.
This is message board nonsense. The terms of the network were blessed by the conference. The only grey area was high school football games and that was 100% ruled in A&M's favor. Also, no conference team can be put on the LHN without their consent.....this was also ruled in A&M's favor. Kind of weird for a league where Texas calls all of the shots - right?
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frick y'all and your shitty network--we gone
Aggie seems to think that leaving stop the LHN. It doesn't. Soon, it will be picked up by the dishes and Time Warner. The network is incredible. The production value is through the roof. The pregame and postgame shows are awesome.....an aggie will never have anything like it and can't stop it.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 10:27 am to ATX Horn
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Notice that Bama and UF made about 6-7 million more than Ole Miss...do ya think either of those schools shared that income with the other SEC members to be fair? Hell No!!
Those greedy, selfish, arrogant bastards!
Posted on 9/15/11 at 10:27 am to barry
"Arrogant sons of bitches, that is why."
And arrogance leads to selfishness combined with greed. If you had 'em (and I hope to God you never do) you would totally understand why we are willing to leave their asses. It wasn't just us don't forget. NU and CU last year and OU/OSU and TT (if they can) this year.
And who is most PO'd?
CU. Because they get pulled right back in with tu should they take the Pac option. I wonder why that is.
And arrogance leads to selfishness combined with greed. If you had 'em (and I hope to God you never do) you would totally understand why we are willing to leave their asses. It wasn't just us don't forget. NU and CU last year and OU/OSU and TT (if they can) this year.
And who is most PO'd?
CU. Because they get pulled right back in with tu should they take the Pac option. I wonder why that is.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 10:30 am to Smoke Ring
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It is capitalism and I love it.
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Conferences, by their exact and required nature, are collectivist. It is one for all AND all for one.
Texas is all for one and one for one, acting like an independent within the framework of a conference.
In a captalist world, there are partnerships. True partnerships don't allow one partner to have side deals and not share. That's exactly what Texas wants.
Conferences are like corporations and the teams are like the employees. The conferences compete against each other for the betterment of the teams, anyone not seeing this has not been paying attention.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 10:55 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Aggie seems to think that leaving stop the LHN. It doesn't. Soon, it will be picked up by the dishes and Time Warner. The network is incredible. The production value is through the roof. The pregame and postgame shows are awesome.....an aggie will never have anything like it and can't stop it.
I keep hearing this but its already football season....the games that would be on LHN (the not big games) are already being played....why would they want to pick up the LHN for womens basketball?....If they havent picked it up yet then why pick it up now?
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