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re: Oklahoma might SOON deliver kill shot to Big XII?
Posted on 9/1/11 at 10:36 am to Quidam65
Posted on 9/1/11 at 10:36 am to Quidam65
quote:You are probably right about this one. But I can see KU as a possible SEC entry, if geographically distant - but then they might also be susceptible to the Big Ten's siren song, should they also come a'calling one day. Rethinking, maybe the SEC needs to stay mostly focused on things from WVU and VT on down (and Southeast of there)... so if they do come into the SEC fold A&M may truly be the lone ranger of the former Big 12 among us.
Mizzou wants in the B1G and most likely will not consider SEC (and if they did they would bolt tomorrow if the B1G comes calling).
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Posted on 9/1/11 at 10:39 am to JawjaTigah
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But I can see KU as a possible SEC entry, if geographically distant - but then they might also be susceptible to the Big Ten's siren song, should they also come a'calling one day.
Except Kansas has a problem with maybe having to bring K-State along. Now for basketball purposes that would be no problem (add one of basketball's legendary programs plus a solid contender). Kentucky could look forward to conference games not involving teams named Florida.
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Rethinking, maybe the SEC needs to stay mostly focused on things from WVU and VT on down (and Southeast of there)...
If your 13-16 teams end up being A&M, WV, VT, and NC State you've accomplished one of the main goals -- territorial footprint expansion.
This post was edited on 9/1/11 at 10:42 am
Posted on 9/1/11 at 10:45 am to Quidam65
quote:I can see this working quite well for all of us (give or take a GA Tech or Clemson in lieu of one or two of these refusing to join).
If your 13-16 teams end up being A&M, WV, VT, and NC State you've accomplished one of the main goals -- territorial footprint expansion.
Posted on 9/1/11 at 10:50 am to Quidam65
quote:I am guessing that if Texas was separated from OU and A&M, the Red River Shootout would survive and the A&M series would end...
Because if Texas gets forced by the Legislature to play (a stronger SEC member) A&M annually (and the precedent has been set in other states, such as in Florida), OU gets sacrificed in the process since no major program (Texas or anyone else) wants two tough OOC games a year.
Posted on 9/1/11 at 10:56 am to Uncle Stu
Long time lurker Longhorn fan here...and I think Uncle Stu is exactly right in how the UT administration/coaches use the different media in Austin. Bohls, as a mainstream media guy, is used more of as an "official" source of info for the masses - sometime I think they're all just f'n with Chip Brown with some of the information he reports from his sources. But at least I think Chip digs a little deeper than Bohls. And Chip Brown is less of a UT fan than many think.
And I don't think there's a consensus on what UT fans want - hell, my personal wish would be for UT to head east with OU and OSU to the SEC - that would be the best from a fan's point of view for football AND baseball. But unfortunately it's not happening - and I am a tad envious of the Aggies for that. More realistically, I would hope UT goes to the PAC-whatever with OU, Tech, and OSU and join a division with the AZ schools and Utah and Colorado. Not a bad division, travel is still ok, baseball is pretty good with the AZ schools as well. Of course the LHN would need to be revised but it could happen...we'll see. Hopefully Mizzou goes to the SEC and we can blow this thing up rather than adding random teams here and there.
And I don't think there's a consensus on what UT fans want - hell, my personal wish would be for UT to head east with OU and OSU to the SEC - that would be the best from a fan's point of view for football AND baseball. But unfortunately it's not happening - and I am a tad envious of the Aggies for that. More realistically, I would hope UT goes to the PAC-whatever with OU, Tech, and OSU and join a division with the AZ schools and Utah and Colorado. Not a bad division, travel is still ok, baseball is pretty good with the AZ schools as well. Of course the LHN would need to be revised but it could happen...we'll see. Hopefully Mizzou goes to the SEC and we can blow this thing up rather than adding random teams here and there.
Posted on 9/1/11 at 10:57 am to OrangeBlood
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But unfortunately it's not happening - and I am a tad envious of the Aggies for that
You are the first Longhorn fan I have heard admit this
Posted on 9/1/11 at 10:57 am to Smoke Ring
OU is to pussy to join the SEC. Bunch of gheys
This post was edited on 9/1/11 at 10:58 am
Posted on 9/1/11 at 10:59 am to Quidam65
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This makes sense. So if I'm the SEC I need to get to 16 ASAP and expand my footprint as much as I can.
What's going on right now is exploiting opportunity; it's not a planned movement to 16. I don't think you would be seeing this movement unless one or more conferences were collapsing. The panic is creating a lot of instability and chaos. At this point I think the SEC, B1G, and the PAC 12 are the only sure survivors as I can't think of a scenario where they won't.
You would think that true for the ACC too, but I can see if they lost one or more football schools, schools like NC, Duke, VA, and MD might opt for a B1G instead of poaching the BE. Would be a hell of BB conf.
If that happened then the remaining ACC and BE would probably merge and end up being the survivor. The point of this is that I think it's still really hard to predict how this might shake out. If two of the 3 at risk manange to survive and retain some degree of relevance, I think it stops short.
Posted on 9/1/11 at 11:06 am to Quidam65
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Kansas and K-State are joined at the hip.
Schools like this and OK/OSU are tied together for the survival of the little brother and not really much else. If OSU got an invite to the SEC, magically, that bond would disappear.
Posted on 9/1/11 at 11:08 am to WoodlandsAg07
More are than most realize - maybe just not the ones that post on message boards. The fan experience in the SEC is second to none - that is clear. Not that I want A&M to succeed of course. 
But I've learned that the interests of fans, coaches, and administrators are often very different and often not aligned.
And here's another one you may not hear a lot - I would like to see UT and A&M play in the future...probably not a T or T+1 game (and it probably won't happen for a few years) but maybe something like first game of the season a la Fla State/Miami back when Miami was in the big east. Pretty fun opening game huh?
But I've learned that the interests of fans, coaches, and administrators are often very different and often not aligned.
And here's another one you may not hear a lot - I would like to see UT and A&M play in the future...probably not a T or T+1 game (and it probably won't happen for a few years) but maybe something like first game of the season a la Fla State/Miami back when Miami was in the big east. Pretty fun opening game huh?
Posted on 9/1/11 at 11:09 am to OrangeBlood
If the Pac-16 goes down this year, Utah will have gotten unbelievably lucky and will be the undoubted winner in this whole thing
Posted on 9/1/11 at 11:21 am to OrangeBlood
I don't believe the PAC16 will happen.
I think the BIG12 will add three , and already have the three chosen.
I think the BIG12 will add three , and already have the three chosen.
Posted on 9/1/11 at 11:31 am to bona fide
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I think the BIG12 will add three , and already have the three chosen.
No way, unless ND is one of those three. And that isn't happening.
Big 12 will only add one team if it does survive. Any other additions would just dilute the conference money pool.
Posted on 9/1/11 at 11:33 am to bona fide
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And here's another one you may not hear a lot - I would like to see UT and A&M play in the future...probably not a T or T+1 game (and it probably won't happen for a few years) but maybe something like first game of the season a la Fla State/Miami back when Miami was in the big east. Pretty fun opening game huh?
I think it would be great.
As we all can see, conference expansion is going to be tough for a lot of conferences. A lot political road bumps as well as geographical oddities. Thats why I think the SEC adding A&M is the best possible move that could have been made. The SEC moves into Texas. Distance is not nearly concerning as other possible moves, and its about as close a fit culturally as you can find other than maybe a Clemson.
If all conferences really do morph into mega conferences, then I think the SEC and maybe B1G, will be the biggest winners by far.
Posted on 9/1/11 at 11:39 am to Bob Ag
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If all conferences really do morph into mega conferences, then I think the SEC and maybe B1G, will be the biggest winners by far.
Agree...I wouldn't mind seeing UT in the B1G for football but as a baseball conference, which for me is 1B to football as 1A, it would just suck. Cold games, shitty teams. Of course Texas should win it every year...
Posted on 9/1/11 at 11:40 am to rollthatback
ND is not going to the BIG12.
I think they may add only one for the first year, then add the other two. Big12 needs to get back to 12 so they can have a championship game. That will help with the long term viability of the conference.
I think they may add only one for the first year, then add the other two. Big12 needs to get back to 12 so they can have a championship game. That will help with the long term viability of the conference.
Posted on 9/1/11 at 11:44 am to Smoke Ring
so basically the fans are going to get completely fricked with all the potential moves, specifically going to 16-20 team conferences.
forget the days of taking a quick weekend road trip to see your team play a big-time conference game on the road. you can't exactly drive from Norman to Los Angeles on a Friday afternoon.
forget the days of taking a quick weekend road trip to see your team play a big-time conference game on the road. you can't exactly drive from Norman to Los Angeles on a Friday afternoon.
Posted on 9/1/11 at 12:08 pm to Rohan2Reed
quote:This is the law of unforeseen consequences coming into play; with the distances growing and travel expenses prohibitive, big-time college football will be reduced more and more to television, television and the other factors already listed will reduce the crowds, the declining crowds will reduce excitement, plus traditional rivalries will be so chopped up and pointless as to further reduce excitement, reduced excitement will cause television's all-consuming eye to begin looking elsewhere for kicks (and $$$ from the sale of commercial ads), and one day, college football will be either a relic of the past or else just a simple game again played by amateur student athletes, one looking far more like its original roots.
so basically the fans are going to get completely f....d with all the potential moves, specifically going to 16-20 team conferences.
forget the days of taking a quick weekend road trip to see your team play a big-time conference game on the road
Posted on 9/1/11 at 12:18 pm to JawjaTigah
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with the distances growing and travel expenses prohibitive, big-time college football will be reduced more and more to television, television and the other factors already listed will reduce the crowds, the declining crowds will reduce excitement, plus traditional rivalries will be so chopped up and pointless as to further reduce excitement, reduced excitement will cause television's all-consuming eye to begin looking elsewhere for kicks
i hope the presidents of all these schools have the foresight to see this. you cannot abandon the roots of what drives college football.. ATTENDING games. you lose that (due to the myriad of reasons/dominoes you listed) and you lose the essence of what fuels the sport. fans tailgating & going to the stadium are essential. TV viewership alone has no staying power.
Posted on 9/1/11 at 12:23 pm to Rohan2Reed
In addition, I think that neutral game sites have also affected college football. You are stealing a home game from your fans, the students, the former students. Jerry World is a perfect example of what is wrong with college football. A highly extravagant, 22nd century stadium, in which people pay a large amount of money for a nose bleed ticket, when all they are going to be doing is watching the huge screen. Might as well stay at home, and buy a six pack for 9 bucks, instead of just getting one beer for the same price. Would love to play a home and home with Arkansas, but thats probably not going to happen after the contract runs out, since Jerry is an alumn.
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