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Ok, screw 16 teams...let's stop at 14...let's talk scheduling
Posted on 9/18/11 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 9/18/11 at 11:32 pm
14 teams separated into two 7-team divisions...A&M to the West...some new team added to the East.
Assuming a 12-team schedule and the desire to keep playing four non-conference games a year, you would play the six other teams in your division, plus two in the other division.
To preserve rivalries, we could still have the one permanent opponent from the other division, but we could only rotate one other team from the other division.
No big deal...here is a slight change to what we are used too: instead of playing that rotating team two years in a row (home and away), you would just play them once, and then again six years later...eg, you play them the first time at home and you go on the road the next time you face them.
This is the only thing that stinks about an 8-game conference schedule with 14 total teams...right now, we get to play the rotating teams from the other division every four years.
But I think it is more important to have four non-conference games in order to keep the ticket revenue flowing, and also it is important to have an even number of conference games (so each team has the same number of home conference games).
Plus, my proposed system decreases the chances of a rematch in the championship game, which I don't particularly care for.
What do you think?
Slive, if you are reading, shoot me an email...tigerdroppings@gmail.com.
Assuming a 12-team schedule and the desire to keep playing four non-conference games a year, you would play the six other teams in your division, plus two in the other division.
To preserve rivalries, we could still have the one permanent opponent from the other division, but we could only rotate one other team from the other division.
No big deal...here is a slight change to what we are used too: instead of playing that rotating team two years in a row (home and away), you would just play them once, and then again six years later...eg, you play them the first time at home and you go on the road the next time you face them.
This is the only thing that stinks about an 8-game conference schedule with 14 total teams...right now, we get to play the rotating teams from the other division every four years.
But I think it is more important to have four non-conference games in order to keep the ticket revenue flowing, and also it is important to have an even number of conference games (so each team has the same number of home conference games).
Plus, my proposed system decreases the chances of a rematch in the championship game, which I don't particularly care for.
What do you think?
Slive, if you are reading, shoot me an email...tigerdroppings@gmail.com.
This post was edited on 9/18/11 at 11:58 pm
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Posted on 9/18/11 at 11:39 pm to lsu777
quote:here is the big problem with a 9 game conference slate in a 12-game schedule: half of the teams will play one less home game...half the teams will have 8 home games at most, and the other half will have 7 home games at most. today, SEC schools can have as many as 8 home games in a 12 game schedule.
i think you simply go 9 conference schedule and keep every thing else the way it is.
The economics would need to be studies more, but a odd number of conference games complicates things...
Posted on 9/18/11 at 11:44 pm to Chicken
it's infeasible to preserve rivalries in a 14 team conference, which is a large part of the reason 16 teams will happen
Posted on 9/18/11 at 11:45 pm to Chicken
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here is the big problem with a 9 game conference slate in a 12-game schedule: half of the teams will play one less home game...half the teams will have 8 home games at most, and the other half will have 7 home games at most. today, SEC schools can have as many as 8 home games in a 12 game schedule.
and less SEC teams in bowl games because they play each other more
see: Pac 10 before expansion
Posted on 9/18/11 at 11:48 pm to baytiger
quote:of course they could be preserved...the rivalries MUST be preserved. There is no way Tennessee/Alabama and Georgia/Auburn games will go away...especially not the Georgia/Auburn game...that is the oldest rivalry in the south.
it's infeasible to preserve rivalries in a 14 team conference, which is a large part of the reason 16 teams will happen
not sure how important Alabama/Tennessee is...if it isn't, you could move Auburn to the SEC East and add your 14th team to the SEC West...
This post was edited on 9/18/11 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 9/18/11 at 11:58 pm to baytiger
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and less SEC teams in bowl games because they play each other more
Bowl games are growing, not decreasing. Hell, there's one to watch and bet on every day of the Holidays. SEC fans bring folks, buy tix, as long as teams can muster 6-6 marks, they'll bowl, and most will win even if "scheduled up" vs Wac, Mt West, Big East, etc..
Bowling in the NCAA, is like making the NHL Playoffs..practically everybody goes.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:01 am to Chicken
Does preserving rivalries, necessarily dictate that they must be yearly and not rotated?
I'm one of the LSU fans that prefers hardware rather than a yearly game with Fla to amuse me, or justify ticket prices.
I'm one of the LSU fans that prefers hardware rather than a yearly game with Fla to amuse me, or justify ticket prices.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:06 am to Chicken
I don't know the answer. I have even put too much thought into it. But doesn't the MAC or some other conference have 13 teams? How fo they schedule?
And also, until recently it wasn't uncommon that teams only played 11 games. So maybe it's not that big of a deal if a team only gets 6 home games instead of 7 every other year. Heck, didn't LSU give up a possible home game this year going to WVU and playing in Dallas? Although I'm sure that game in Dallas had a nice payout
And also, until recently it wasn't uncommon that teams only played 11 games. So maybe it's not that big of a deal if a team only gets 6 home games instead of 7 every other year. Heck, didn't LSU give up a possible home game this year going to WVU and playing in Dallas? Although I'm sure that game in Dallas had a nice payout
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:07 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
quote:I think there are just two cross-divison rivalry games worth preserving: Bama/Tennessee and Georgia/Auburn...fans of those schools could better answer how important it is to preserve those games.
Does preserving rivalries, necessarily dictate that they must be yearly and not rotated?
I know that Georgia and Auburn have played almost every year since 1892:
quote:Deep South's Oldest Rivalry
Through the 2010 season, the rivalry is tied for the seventh most played college football series at 114 games and is known as being quite even, with Auburn holding a 54-52-8 lead.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:49 am to Chicken
We could go to a 10-game conference schedule if college football went to a playoff and the SEC champion was guaranteed a spot.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:57 am to Chicken
quote:
quote:
it's infeasible to preserve rivalries in a 14 team conference, which is a large part of the reason 16 teams will happen
of course they could be preserved..
They could be, but west teams would play non-rival east teams so sporadically that they might as well not even be in the same conference
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:58 am to BayouBengals03
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We could go to a 10-game conference schedule if college football went to a playoff and the SEC champion was guaranteed a spot.
if college football ever goes to a playoff, there will still be a lot of money in non-playoff bowl games
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:00 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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SEC fans bring folks, buy tix, as long as teams can muster 6-6 marks, they'll bowl,
yeah, and increasing the number of conference games makes it harder for teams to go 6-6
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:10 am to Chicken
If they will stay with 8 games and keep the cross division rivalries. That means you replace one of the extra cross divisional games wih an intradivisional game. But that means you only play teams like Georgia twice every 12 years.
9 games would allow you to play all the teams in the other conference twice every 6 years which is close to what we have now. If they do go to 9 games, i would like to see them move the SEC title game to the highest ranked team in the BCS poll similar to what the PAC12 is doing with best conference record. That way we increase the chance of a SEC team in the BCS title game.
9 games would allow you to play all the teams in the other conference twice every 6 years which is close to what we have now. If they do go to 9 games, i would like to see them move the SEC title game to the highest ranked team in the BCS poll similar to what the PAC12 is doing with best conference record. That way we increase the chance of a SEC team in the BCS title game.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:14 am to Chicken
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instead of playing that rotating team two years in a row (home and away), you would just play them once, and then again six years later
So we'll only be able to go to Athens every 12 years? That sucks.
quote:
I think there are just two cross-divison rivalry games worth preserving: Bama/Tennessee and Georgia/Auburn...fans of those schools could better answer how important it is to preserve those games.
Important enough that the SEC is going to do everything they can to preserve them, IMO.
Unfortunately for LSU and UF it looks like we'll be stuck together unless they reshuffle the other west-east permanent games.
This post was edited on 9/19/11 at 1:16 am
Posted on 9/19/11 at 3:21 am to Mac
I say the permanent rivalries MUST go away not stay. If we expand to 14 or 16 teams and you play one team in division every single year that would potentially mean a number of things that aren't good.
1. Unfair strength of opponents set in stone. Just wrong and yes I know that is how it is now.
2. If we play two nondivision games each year and one of those opp. is permanent that means you would play some of the teams in your conf. only 14 times in a century! Heck we would play some nonconf. teams more than that!
3. Depending on the setup you could end up playing a nondivisional team more than the teams in your own division.
1. Unfair strength of opponents set in stone. Just wrong and yes I know that is how it is now.
2. If we play two nondivision games each year and one of those opp. is permanent that means you would play some of the teams in your conf. only 14 times in a century! Heck we would play some nonconf. teams more than that!
3. Depending on the setup you could end up playing a nondivisional team more than the teams in your own division.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 4:05 am to Chicken
quote:
the rivalries MUST be preserved
of course
but they can be rotated
Posted on 9/19/11 at 4:07 am to TheDoc
rivalries lose their luster when they're not played every year.
Ask Oklahoma and Nebraska.
Ask Oklahoma and Nebraska.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 6:29 am to baytiger
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rivalries lose their luster when they're not played every year.
Ask Oklahoma and Nebraska.
Ask LSU and Tulane.
And this thread has hit on the big, BIG weak point of this whole expansionist drama: it will have unforseen consequences, and one of the casualties of that could very well be the one thing that keeps college football so near and dear to the hearts of its fans - those old, traditional rivalries. Kill them or change them, radically or gradually, and a stake has been driven into the heart of this game. But when greed $$$ begins to drive what is done (more TV revenues), then anything can happen, not all of it good.
This post was edited on 9/19/11 at 6:31 am
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