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re: My Expansion Hope

Posted on 8/13/11 at 2:49 pm to
Posted by lsutiger90
Cottage Grove, Houston, TX
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 8/13/11 at 2:49 pm to
Check your geograpy....Norman is south of the entire state of Missouri....
Posted by SeattleTiger19
Member since Oct 2007
4537 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 4:48 pm to
If we went to 16 and saying A&M is a done deal, I would want to add Florida State, North Carolina and Duke.

You can't get North Carolina without Duke but just think of our programs.

We already know how well the SEC is in football.

Basketball would have Duke, North Carolina and Kentucky. Three of the biggest programs in NCAA basketball.

Then there is baseball which the SEC is already good at and you add NC who has Omaha appearances.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9539 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 5:12 pm to
Why the frick does the SEC HAVE to expand to 16 teams???? I`ve yet to see someone explain that. 16 teams totally destroys the SEC as we know it. I can`t believe some of the crazy divisional setups I`m hearing people suggest. Why not simply add A&M to the West and Virginia Tech to the East. That keeps EVERYTHING the same except for adding 1 conference game to everyone`s schedule while only taking away 1 non-conference game. Traditional rivalries are preserved and 2 solid programs and schools are added. Get to 14 teams and stay there. ONLY got to 16 in the unlikely event both Texas and UNC beg for an invitation. The SEC will be just as big of a championship factor with 14 teams as they would with 16 teams.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126623 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 5:14 pm to
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Virginia Tech.


not gona happen, they made their deal with the devil and now they are bonded to the ACC. They will go no where with out UVA
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9539 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 5:26 pm to
That`s not what most Tech fans are saying on their boards. They are saying that they`d have to accept if the SEC does offer. They`ve said absolutely nothing about not being ABLE to go because of UVA. Many of the Tech fans who have mixed emotions about leaving the ACC admit they`d be fools to turn down an offer from the SEC if it came. Virginia Tech gives the SEC the best combination of new markets, program quality, strong alumni base, and academics. They bring a more desirable total package then FSU does imho.
Posted by Archie Bengal Bunker
Member since Jun 2008
15597 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 5:49 pm to
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Why would you want FSU? Seems like just that much more competition without adding an additional geographic footprint.


I don't care either way. But, I think you and others are discounting TV viewership. Its not always about getting into a market. When FSU was hot, they had some of the highest rated games on TV. And let's face it, this is about negotiating TV contracts.

Second, its not like there are a bunch of solid fits out there. You can make an argument for or against all of them. Everyone seems to want VA Tech to tap into a new market, but I don't think the Hokies have pulled the ratings FSU did as it has been running through the ACC. Also, VA Tech has come out and said that they plain just don't want it and are happy where they are.

Clemson: same issues as FSU.

GA Tech: same issues as FSU.

North Carolina: I don't see them leaving, but frankly, I haven't heard a lot about them. Seems like they are too involved with Duke and Wake to bolt.


Looking west, is Missouri that much better of a fit? They do bring a new market to the table, but it would also shift the conference divisions. I'm sure they could figure it out though.

Am I missing anyone?
Posted by Archie Bengal Bunker
Member since Jun 2008
15597 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 5:53 pm to
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Why the frick does the SEC HAVE to expand to 16 teams????


Its all about the money. There has been a lot of talk about having four 16 team mega conferences and a playoff. If the Big12 dissolves, I think that will be the most likely scenario.

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The SEC will be just as big of a championship factor with 14 teams as they would with 16 teams.


Again, this is all about money. And that money is going to come from TV contracts.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9539 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 6:00 pm to
You are missing something. The Virginia Tech boards are disputing that their president said anything one way or the other about staying in or leaving the ACC.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9539 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 6:10 pm to
I understand that expansion is all about money. What I don`t understand is why four 16 team leagues is the end all be all only way college football can get to a playoff. A 16 team league leaves almost no room to keep traditional cross divisional rivalry games as well as the ability to play teams in the other division. I think my playoff idea works just as well with five 14 team leagues. It also saves the SEC from being turned into an unrecognizable mess.
Posted by Archie Bengal Bunker
Member since Jun 2008
15597 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 6:43 pm to
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A 16 team league leaves almost no room to keep traditional cross divisional rivalry games as well as the ability to play teams in the other division.


I think that is the biggest concern, but for the most part I think it could be manageable. I am more concerned about what would happen to big time out of conference games. Maybe, we would only see big time out of conference games at bowl time which could add meaning to the bowls no one cares about now. Also, it would increase the conference
rivalry that has really started to bud the last 5-10 years.



Well, here are my thoughts on the situation from a different thread, essentially "My Expansion Hope":

This is what I am really excited about. With these mega-conferences, it becomes less likely a team will run the table, effectively doing away with the current 1 loss and you're done BCS mentality. Moreover, these mega conferences would put even more distance between themselves and the little sisters of the poor.

I see the Big 10, Pac 10, and SEC making the move to a bigger conference, but there still needs to be an East Coast super. Maybe some combo of Big East and the ACC. Then you would have four mega-conferences. Here comes my way out there hope...

Four conference champions play in 2 BCS games with the winners playing in a Championship game. The championship game would be played at a FIFTH BCS location. I'd like to see the Cotton Bowl and Jerruh-world get added to the BCS slate. Plus, have the two conference runner-ups play two at large teams in 2 different BCS games. At large teams can be little sisters of the poor. With this setup, I think you would still be able to maintain conference bowl traditions as well which would keep the Rose Bowls and Jim Delanys of the world happy.

One concern, is whether having all the good teams from a region playing in the same conference would increase or decrease the incentive to create great out of conference matchups.




Lastly, while reading this, I just had a couple way out there ideas to solve the rivalry issues. What if:

They increase the number of conference games. Maybe even make all 12 games became conference games and add an extra buy week.

or

This seems far less likely, but maybe, they could increase the schedule to 14 games.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126623 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 6:52 pm to
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That`s not what most Tech fans are saying on their boards


its just false hope on their part, they all know the truth. They were part of the initial law suit to sue the ACC to keep teams in the BE and then did a total 180 when Cuse didn't go and it opened up a slot for them. It took a lot of backroom shite with Virginia politicians to get VT in the ACC, they are tied to the hip with UVA

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new markets


if you are referring to DC, sorry to tell you it is not the VT market. They have a large presence but not a hold on the market. DC when it comes to college sports is split up pretty good. DC is a pro sports town.
This post was edited on 8/13/11 at 6:55 pm
Posted by Archie Bengal Bunker
Member since Jun 2008
15597 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 7:00 pm to
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if you are referring to DC, sorry to tell you it is not the VT market. They have a large presence but not a hold on the market. DC when it comes to college sports is split up pretty good. DC is a pro sports town.


Yeah, I have heard the "DC" argument as well. DC is definitely a pro town. By all accounts, VA Tech is back-burner/ filler talk there. Definitely, not the main sports course at the dinner table. I'm thinking that would be the Skins.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Santa Barbara
Member since Jan 2005
45655 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 7:01 pm to
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My Expansion Hope
Texas A & M
Florida State
Ga. Tech
Miami or Clemson


Posted by nosaj56
Member since Aug 2007
22002 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 7:02 pm to
thank you for the VT/DC comment. now if only the rantards could learn this fact.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126623 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 7:05 pm to
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thank you for the VT/DC comment. now if only the rantards could learn this fact.


I grew up in DC and when i was young Maryland was pretty solid so it was all about Maryland. VT really didn't get all the love in the area until the Vick era. DC having a large population of transplants brings with them their loyalties to other colleges. The DC market is split with VT,UVA,Maryland,WVU(largest out of state alumni chapter), and Penn State. Also lots of SEC fans in the area
This post was edited on 8/13/11 at 7:07 pm
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30783 posts
Posted on 8/13/11 at 7:07 pm to
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And the way its been going the last 2 years, Jimbo is gonna kick UFs arse in recruiting



... and they're both kicking LSU's arse in recruiting.

Adding FSU wouldn't do shite to UF's schedule, we play them each year. It will however make it more difficult on the SEC as a whole. If the SEC brings on FSU, so be it.
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
BR
Member since Jun 2008
17501 posts
Posted on 8/14/11 at 1:55 pm to
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Check your geograpy....Norman is south of the entire state of Missouri....



yeah, I know. So is Arizona and Hawaii. Let me put it this way. Missouri originated as a slave state. that's an unpleasant differentiater but one often used to define north and south. Missouri is in a funny place becasue many residents (in my experience) consider it to be southern while others midwest, culturally anyway. Missouri also borders Arkansas which I feel is helpful compared to a place like Oklahoma.
Posted by West Central Tiger
Tiger Country
Member since Feb 2006
1154 posts
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:05 pm to
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Texas A & M Florida St Ga. Tech Miami or Clemson


Texas A&M
Oklahoma
North Carolina
Vir Tech
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