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Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:16 am to The Egg
there was nothing hush hush about conference realignment.... Its on an agenda 72 hours beforehand because of Texas law.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:17 am to Ball Gravy
i guess i'm not privy to know all things texas law.
still, i wouldn't believe it until there are signatures in place, etc.
still, i wouldn't believe it until there are signatures in place, etc.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:20 am to The Egg
is FSU coming too? Jimbo must be pissed if so. To leave that cakewalk to join the sec east hunh bruh.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:20 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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1. Go to the Big 10 with ND
2. Go to the Pac 16
3. Start the new rumored conference with ND
1) No, but Hell No. Texas would not be able to get unequal revenue sharing in the B1G. The best thing about the B1G is that every member is equal. Texas would try to destroy that. B1G would also not allow Texas to keep the LHN.
2) Maybe
3) Maybe, but seems like a longshot.
I hope Texas is forced to become an independent and no conference wants to take them because of their baggage.
Right now Texas' best bet is to try and keep the Big 12 together if they can.
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 9:22 am
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:21 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Still, something within the state of Texas changed. I can't believe that the politicians with Baylor & Tech ties just all of the sudden stopped giving a shite. I am shocked that no on from Baylor or Tech has said anything publicly. This leads me to believe that those entities have been incentivized to be quiet or they have been guaranteed that they have a BCS home in some conference. It will be funny if one or both don't have a BCS conference home when all this is done.
I think it may be a case of everyone thinking UT's bluff has been called with regards to conference affiliation, meaning they stay in the reduced-size Big 12.
As of now, Texas will be getting the lion's share of the Big 12 money as well as 100% of the Longhorn Network money. They probably won't get that kind of deal in the SEC, Pac 12, or Big Ten, and they lose all that conference money if they're independent, so it is in their financial interest to remain one of two power teams within the Big 12 for now.
Because Texas won't be going anywhere, Baylor and Tech aren't as antsy about any moves by A&M because it won't affect their BCS status and may actually improve their bottom line.
Since A&M was one of three teams getting an inordinate amount of money from the Big 12's newest TV deal, removing them and distributing their share of conference money for the next few years to the rest of the league. That money will probably be split amongst the lower-tier teams like Baylor.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:26 am to RedHawk
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No, but Hell No. Texas would not be able to get unequal revenue sharing in the B1G. The best thing about the B1G is that every member is equal. Texas would try to destroy that. B1G would also not allow Texas to keep the LHN.
I have been hearing things about how some special arrangements may be made for Texas & ND. Both would share equally on 1st & 2nd tier football rights but would have their own 3rd tier rights instead of using the Big Ten network. This is all just talk......you may be right. Still, the scuttlebutt is that ND isn't coming without Texas and as the race to 16 team power-conferences appears to be underway, adding ND and Texas is huge and probably worth some concessions.
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As of now, Texas will be getting the lion's share of the Big 12 money as well as 100% of the Longhorn Network money. They probably won't get that kind of deal in the SEC, Pac 12, or Big Ten, and they lose all that conference money if they're independent, so it is in their financial interest to remain one of two power teams within the Big 12 for now.
You may be right but you have to think that the 1st & 2nd tier football rights of a Big 10 with Texas and ND would by through the roof.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:30 am to Dr Drunkenstein
I don't really care if they move to the SEC or not.
All I want to see is Texas crash and burn.
The LHN is gonna be such a big failure.
All I want to see is Texas crash and burn.
The LHN is gonna be such a big failure.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:30 am to teke184
I really hope that the sec invites Missouri as well because I think that would be a killshot to the big 12
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:31 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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adding ND and Texas is huge and probably worth some concessions.
Could be the other way around with Texas and ND scrambling to find a conference. I don't think there is any way possible that a solid conference like the B1G or SEC would offer any concessions to get teams to join. If anything, I think Texas and ND would be the ones to offer concessions for the right to join such a stable conference.
If the B1G offers Texas concessions to join, then that will be the beginning of the end for the B1G. Texas will only continue to fight to keep getting a bigger piece of the pie just like the Big 12.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:31 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Still, something within the state of Texas changed. I can't believe that the politicians with Baylor & Tech ties just all of the sudden stopped giving a shite. I am shocked that no on from Baylor or Tech has said anything publicly. This leads me to believe that those entities have been incentivized to be quiet or they have been guaranteed that they have a BCS home in some conference. It will be funny if one or both don't have a BCS conference home when all this is done.
Of course, it's possible that promises have been made, but I don't know who could be making them. But you're acting like Texas and A&M are politically impotent, and that is just not true. The prior reorgs were about Baylor's survival, not A&M's. This would be a really bloody (figurative obviously) fight. IMO, they see the handwriting on the wall and fighting screaming losers do not make good partners. I think they come along, but they will end up in a kind of catch-all conference.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:31 am to Indiana Tiger
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The politics of this situation is significantly different
First off, good post Dr D.
But I think he and most people misunderstood the political issue all along. The Big 8 wanted to add 4 teams, not just 2, so they could have 12 and a CCG. The SWC was not viable long term as just 8 teams from Texas and everyone knew it. The battle was not about Texas and A&M killng the SWC and Baylor trying to stop them. It was about who was going to be the 4th team in the Big 12, BU, TCU or UH. Its not has if BU had no chance to begin with. They were a decent program in most sports, even FB at the time. There was some talk that the big boys , UT/OU did not want a DFW team so they could dominated that market and A&M/UT didn't want a Hou team. Some pressure by pols with Baylor ties was threatened to make sure BU got that spot, but that's different from stopping UT and/or A&M from doing what they want. Its just silly to think that BU has so much more pull than UT or A&M or that supporters of TCU/UH/Rice/SMU would back BU. Politics as a hinderence was over rated as a factor in these debeates.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:31 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Both would share equally on 1st & 2nd tier football rights but would have their own 3rd tier rights instead of using the Big Ten network. This is all just talk......you may be right. Still, the scuttlebutt is that ND isn't coming without Texas
although both are powerful schools I'm not sure why ND would base their decision on Texas
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They probably won't get that kind of deal in the SEC, Pac 12, or Big Ten, and they lose all that conference money if they're independent, so it is in their financial interest to remain one of two power teams within the Big 12 for now.
You may be right but you have to think that the 1st & 2nd tier football rights of a Big 10 with Texas and ND would by through the roof.
The Big 10 network would be a monster if they added ND and Texas - although it would mostly be split in 16 ways you would think
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:34 am to Philosoraptor
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All I want to see is Texas crash and burn.
I doubt that would happen.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:34 am to Maximus
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:36 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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I can't believe that the politicians with Baylor & Tech ties just all of the sudden stopped giving a shite
TT is one of the 40 most profitable AD's, they will have a home somewhere, Pac 16 maybe. Baylor is not powerful enough to stop everybody. The others will support each other, why would TT block A&M and vice versa?
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 9:38 am
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:37 am to Indiana Tiger
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Playoff proponents should be happy, because after this realignment, I think they are coming. The money would stay with the teams that matter instead of forced sharing making it worthwhile. College football will not be the same. Better? Worse? I really don't know.
This is what I am really excited about. With these mega-conferences, it becomes less likely a team will run the table, effectively doing away with the current 1 loss and you're done BCS mentality. Moreover, these mega conferences would put even more distance between themselves and the little sisters of the poor.
I see the Big 10, Pac 10, and SEC making the move to a bigger conference, but there still needs to be an East Coast super. Maybe some combo of Big East and the ACC. Then you would have four mega-conferences. Here comes my way out there hope...
Four conference champions play in 2 BCS games with the winners playing in a Championship game. The championship game would be played at a FIFTH BCS location. I'd like to see the Cotton Bowl and Jerruh-world get added to the BCS slate. Plus, have the two conference runner-ups play two at large teams in 2 different BCS games. At large teams can be little sisters of the poor. With this setup, I think you would still be able to maintain conference bowl traditions as well which would keep the Rose Bowls and Jim Delanys of the world happy.
One concern, is whether having all the good teams from a region playing in the same conference would increase or decrease the incentive to create great out of conference matchups.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:40 am to rollthatback
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I really hope that the sec invites Missouri as well because I think that would be a killshot to the big 12
yes, but would it really work for the SEC?
Missouri culturally and geographically makes a lot more sense in the Big 12 or Big 10
I think Missouri is more relevant and more profitable when they play their neighbors in Kansas and Illinois. Arkansas would be a forced rivalry that might work to some extent but not really
Bottom line I don't want the SEC to expand but if they do I hope it is by adding A&M and one of the other semi-available power schools with something to grow the pie (which IMO is limited to OU, FSU, or VaTech)
The Big 12 is obviously in trouble and may have to merge or cherry pick from the MWC if they are to survive.
Texas is always a school with options to some extent but this whole realignment thing has really not gone down how they thought it might
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:44 am to molsusports
FSU will not come to the SEC for two reasons
1) Jimbo stated he already has a hard enough schedule
2) UF will not let them
1) Jimbo stated he already has a hard enough schedule
2) UF will not let them
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:46 am to molsusports
I think Missouri could work in the SEC or B1G. I could see them trying to parlay an sec invite to a B1G invite. So either way the big 12 would die which is all I care about as an OU fan
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