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Can the Big East survive?

Posted on 9/17/11 at 11:01 pm
Posted by Bubba Hotep
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Posted on 9/17/11 at 11:01 pm
I think the structure if the Big East, with so many basketball only schools, has been a major factor in their future demise. They lack identity and stability. They need to make moves that have the look and feel if something permanent that has a good fit.

I'm not sure this Big 12 remnants thing will be good for them. Maybe add Central Florida? Memphis?
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 9/17/11 at 11:14 pm to
assuming Cuse and Pitt bolt for the ACC I'm guessing the conference will look like this in football:

South Florida
Louisville
Connecticut
West Virginia
Rutgers
Cincinnati
Memphis
TCU
Villanova (if they still wanna jump up)
Central Florida
Posted by Bubba Hotep
Member since Nov 2003
9330 posts
Posted on 9/17/11 at 11:27 pm to
UMass?
Kansas, et al?
Posted by Purplehaze
spring, tx
Member since Dec 2003
2319 posts
Posted on 9/17/11 at 11:28 pm to
Look for the some of the remnants of the Big 12 to merge with the Big East
Posted by carbola
Bloomington, IN
Member since Aug 2010
4308 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 12:43 am to
quote:

with so many basketball only schools, has been a major factor in their future demise.


This might be the reason they live on. Schools that are bad in football tend to migrate to basketball (schools bad in both go to baseball). There is a lot of money for these school in that sport vs. football. While the Big East might drop to I-AA they would never drop division I status. Basketball schools will stay with them. Programs (like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and WVU) that have a quasi-decent football program might try to switch, but don't count on these schools trying to realign as much as the Big XII schools are.
This post was edited on 9/18/11 at 12:44 am
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 9/18/11 at 12:48 am to
i think the league will eventually look like this in football:

louisville
usf
central florida
kansas
k-state
iowa state
baylor
tcu
cincy
houston
army
navy

rutgers and uconn to the acc.
Posted by Starchild
Member since May 2010
13550 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 1:03 am to
Serious question here for people likely more in the know. Would the ACC take a look at USF, particularly if FSU were to leave for the SEC? They're a very young football program but are already building into one of the best in the Big East and have been for a few years now.
I'm not sure how good academics and other sports are there, but I was surprised to learn that USF has one of the largest enrollments of any school in the country.
They just seem like a promising young program that would benefit greatly from a move to a bigger conference and I'd think ACC makes the most since if they were to do so.
Posted by 1999
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 9/18/11 at 1:10 am to
fsu isn't leaving the acc, but if they did i think most acc schools would balk at the idea of adding usf. though no as extreme as the pac and B1G they seem to be pretty picky when it comes to academics...usf isn't exactly what they are looking for in that area.
This post was edited on 9/18/11 at 1:11 am
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 1:11 am to
quote:

fsu isn't leaving the acc


while I'm not sure FSU does, I still wouldn't rule out an ACC to SEC defector.
Posted by LawC
Member since Nov 2010
714 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 2:48 am to
acc just voted unanimously to increase the buyout to leave to 20 million

dont think anyone is leaving
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 2:50 am to
quote:

acc just voted unanimously to increase the buyout to leave to 20 million


there's a difference between saying the vote was unanimous and the vote actually being unanimous
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5605 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 8:21 am to
Big East survives but loses automatic BCS bid, at least as long as BCS survives

If we get to 4 Super 16 team Conf I would have to think we get at least a Plus1 game if not a playoff.

It happens for a few reasons, first of which is the new Conf will all want to renegotiate TV deals for more $$ with larger viewer footprints. Can't see the networks coughing up more $$ without getting at least one more high profile $$ making game.

Would also bet they will push for more attractive OOC matchups.

In the end for the top 35-40 football programs this will be great and I think good for fans but for teams like Baylor and Iowa State in AQ conferences and teams like Boise in nonAQ and the current BigEast it's real bad news.

Just my 2 cents.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
26905 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 8:32 am to
Why would big east lose bcs bid? Syracuse and Pitt havent been barn burners in football, and it is adding TCU. If it adds some Big 12 remnants, it will be stronger in 2012 than it is in 2011
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5605 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 8:49 am to
Short answer is realignment is just starting Big East teams like Uconn, Rutgers are targeted by the Big, WVU by SEC etc.

Further if we get to 4 Super 16 conferences that certainly even with TCU a step or 2 behind, so you add a Baylor and Iowa State that does not help.

The end game of the Super Conf format is the that the 4 Super Conf will all try to renegotiate TV deals to represent the new footprint.

The networks hold the cards and do you really think they want to see Louisville-Baylor-TCU as a BCS team? Not gonna happen.

IF we get to a 16 team PAC, SEC, ACC and Big that is where the networks will go and either change the BCS to the detriment of the BigEast and NonAQ schools and possibly force a PLUS1 or some playoff.

This whole deal is about $$, TV money and the Supers simply have more to offer than the BigEast and unless the networks believe that the BigEast offer something they aint gonna pay for it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466304 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 8:53 am to
quote:

There is a lot of money for these school in that sport vs. football.

basketball don't pay the bills

quote:

While the Big East might drop to I-AA t

that would mean the Big East did not survive in everyone's book
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9253 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:05 am to
quote:

Would the ACC take a look at USF


I dont think so, the ACC favors themselves an elite academic conference.

quote:

I was surprised to learn that USF has one of the largest enrollments of any school in the country. They just seem like a promising young program that would benefit greatly from a move to a bigger conference


45,000+ students plus one of the largest endowments in the country and a top tier research facility. I'm a USF season ticket holder and all the discussion at the game last night was on the future of USF and the Big East. The talk is that the Big East will implode with the loss of Cuse/Pitt to the ACC and speculation that WVU will go to the SEC. USF lacks the history and pageantry of the SEC but would make the jump in a heartbeat if approached. The feeling in the stands was that USF would end up in a revamped Big East or a Big East/Big 12 combo.
This post was edited on 9/18/11 at 10:11 am
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44168 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:08 am to
quote:

Why would big east lose bcs bid?


I don't think they will, especially if the Big 12 folds and that auto bid is gone.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
79253 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:14 am to
quote:

acc just voted unanimously to increase the buyout to leave to 20 million

dont think anyone is leaving


$20M makes it more difficult but not impossible.

If the SEC wants an ACC team bad enough, each current SEC member can kick in some money and the conference can kick in some money. The new member can pay a little bigger share, or even take a reduced amount of conference revenue the first few years in exchange for the other schools fronting the buyout fee.

The bigger buyout just makes the ACC members look less attractive to another conference, relative to schools who wouldn't need to pay a buyout.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44168 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:30 am to
it really does

-$20 million buyout
-increased travel expenses (the VA Tech AD Weaver has said they love being in a 'bus league'& 'SEC travel would cause other issues')
- A&M and team 14 aren't getting a full share to begin with (their take is prorated until a new TV deal is signed)
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
79253 posts
Posted on 9/18/11 at 5:46 pm to
quote:

it really does

-$20 million buyout
-increased travel expenses (the VA Tech AD Weaver has said they love being in a 'bus league'& 'SEC travel would cause other issues')
- A&M and team 14 aren't getting a full share to begin with (their take is prorated until a new TV deal is signed)


Still just makes ACC teams less attractive.

On point 3, it just means the current 12 could each kick in $1.5 million (that gets you to $18M). They'll do that if they really want FSU or VT or whoever.

The point of the buyout is to get the SEC looking at Big East or Dwindling XII schools. If the free school is even close to as good as the one you'll have to help withh a buyout, you'll take the free school. If VT/FSU is still so much more desirable than the alternatives, the SEC will gladly kick in. Point is just to TRY to make the ACC schools more expensive than they're worth.
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