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re: With the right off.-coordinator, could Orgeron be LSU's best hire.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 4:31 pm to TrueTigerTale
Posted on 10/10/16 at 4:31 pm to TrueTigerTale
So a lot of folks are on the just say no to O bandwagon. I know everyone points to the Ole Miss gig, but to say a guy can't evolve as a HC is ridiculous.
He's a known great recruiter. Does anyone on any current coaching list know the SEC recruiting landscape more the O?
As a DL coach he coached Russell Maryland, Cortez Kennedy and Warren Sapp.
He's learned under Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll and Lane Kiffen.
He's shown adaptability by adopting Carroll's practice style (he credits Carroll for his change from Miles' style practices). He incorporates some of Jimmy Johnson's psychological practices with getting his players mentally up for games. JJ was a psych major.
Every single complaint from the fan base was addressed day one by O:
Offensive predictability
Clock management
Adapting game plan and exploiting opponents' tendencies
4th QTR fades
My advice is explore all options and let the season play out. I think we give O a legitimate shot as he was promised. He may prove to be that "up and coming" coach. He also bleeds purple and gold and wouldn't jump ship as soon as he gets a little success.
In one game his team breaks LSU's all time offensive record against an SEC opponent. Maybe we should take a wait and see approach.
He's a known great recruiter. Does anyone on any current coaching list know the SEC recruiting landscape more the O?
As a DL coach he coached Russell Maryland, Cortez Kennedy and Warren Sapp.
He's learned under Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll and Lane Kiffen.
He's shown adaptability by adopting Carroll's practice style (he credits Carroll for his change from Miles' style practices). He incorporates some of Jimmy Johnson's psychological practices with getting his players mentally up for games. JJ was a psych major.
Every single complaint from the fan base was addressed day one by O:
Offensive predictability
Clock management
Adapting game plan and exploiting opponents' tendencies
4th QTR fades
My advice is explore all options and let the season play out. I think we give O a legitimate shot as he was promised. He may prove to be that "up and coming" coach. He also bleeds purple and gold and wouldn't jump ship as soon as he gets a little success.
In one game his team breaks LSU's all time offensive record against an SEC opponent. Maybe we should take a wait and see approach.
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:57 pm to BayouCowboy
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So a lot of folks are on the just say no to O bandwagon. I know everyone points to the Ole Miss gig, but to say a guy can't evolve as a HC is ridiculous. He's a known great recruiter. Does anyone on any current coaching list know the SEC recruiting landscape more the O? As a DL coach he coached Russell Maryland, Cortez Kennedy and Warren Sapp. He's learned under Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll and Lane Kiffen. He's shown adaptability by adopting Carroll's practice style (he credits Carroll for his change from Miles' style practices). He incorporates some of Jimmy Johnson's psychological practices with getting his players mentally up for games. JJ was a psych major. Every single complaint from the fan base was addressed day one by O: Offensive predictability Clock management Adapting game plan and exploiting opponents' tendencies 4th QTR fades My advice is explore all options and let the season play out. I think we give O a legitimate shot as he was promised. He may prove to be that "up and coming" coach. He also bleeds purple and gold and wouldn't jump ship as soon as he gets a little success. In one game his team breaks LSU's all time offensive record against an SEC opponent. Maybe we should take a wait and see approach.
Hopefully the rant appreciates educated, open minded fans like yourself. With the right off-coord, could O be LSU's best hire? He sure looks the part so far, not Herman or Jimbo.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:00 am to TrueTigerTale
Orgeron is a good fit obviously, and he fires up the base
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:15 am to BayouCowboy
There are a lot of things to like about O. But there's also the feeling that Herman could be the next Urban Meyer. Who knows.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:25 am to TrueTigerTale
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With the right off-coord, could O be LSU's best hire? He sure looks the part so far, not Herman or Jimbo.
Still as ridiculous as the first time you posted it.
I would rather keep O and aranda as well, but the HC is THE most important part of the entire football program.
Look around college football, the days of the CEO head coach are gone. Every top level coach was a specialist in either offense or defense. Not cheerleaders who recruit.
Saban
Meyer
Harbaugh
Jimbo
Petrino
Dantonio
Peterson
Stoops
Hell, even throw richt and butch Jones in there. If your HC controls your off or def, you don't risk losing as much when you don't get a good OC or DC.
Saban has been through like 42 DCs and they are always the same stout arse defense.
You don't settle on a HC to keep assistants. Bad idea.
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 12:33 am
Posted on 10/11/16 at 8:02 am to BayouCowboy
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So a lot of folks are on the just say no to O bandwagon. I know everyone points to the Ole Miss gig
The simple fact its, you can't ignore what happened at ole miss.
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but to say a guy can't evolve as a HC is ridiculous.
I'm not saying he can't, but this is a big hire for Alleva, and it would be a huge risk hiring Orgeron. Orgeron needs to go to a "small" and prove he's ready to be a HC, not LSU.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 8:18 am to Brendoni
Pretty simple, if he goes 7-1 he is hired, if not you better have Jimbo or Herman lined up right? One fact though, firing Miles was about getting him out of the program. The farther we are away from Miles the last four years the more energized I am about our program. I would also say that whoever gets the job would be wise to do everything he can to keep Coach O. Having that guy around a Louisiana program is nothing but positive, not counting that he is the best DL coach in the country.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 8:39 am to SportTiger1
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Saban Meyer Harbaugh Jimbo Petrino Dantonio Peterson Stoops
Coach O will never allow any team to put 40 pts on his LSU coached team, surely that should matter. Can't say that about that majority of coaches you listed or that LSU is pursuing, and that includes, Herman, Saban and Jimbo.
I am intrigued by coach O's new method of coaching, it's a combination of other coaching styles. I'm just wondering, did everything suddenly click for him, the remaining schedule will tell us. Don't be such a hard case, you could put LSU in a much worse position defensively if LSU loses college football's top recruiting and defensive coaching professionals, Orgeron and Aranda.
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 8:43 am
Posted on 10/11/16 at 11:35 am to TrueTigerTale
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I am intrigued by coach O's new method of coaching, it's a combination of other coaching styles. I'm just wondering, did everything suddenly click for him, the remaining schedule will tell us
No, no it won't. This is not his team. What he does with someone else's team tells me very little. What he did with his own team tells me a lot. His proponents think the opposite of that for whatever reason.
If you want to throw out what he did at Ole Miss, then he has no resume as a HC for his own team. Basically his supporters want to experiment with him as coach, which is mind-boggling for a program of LSU's caliber.
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 11:46 am
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:39 pm to TrueTigerTale
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Coach O will never allow any team to put 40 pts on his LSU coached team
You have no way to know this, but okay.
I think O is a great combination of DL coach and recruiter. Thats what makes him so valuable. But if anybody is going to keep the other team from scoring 40, it will be Aranda, not O. quote:Yep, you are WONDERING. You dont know. Huge risk there.
I'm just wondering, did everything suddenly click for him
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Don't be such a hard case, you could put LSU in a much worse position defensively if LSU loses college football's top recruiting and defensive coaching professionals, Orgeron and Aranda.
The last 13 NC winners didnt have O or Aranda on staff, so they are not the be all/end all. They are nice to haves because they are great coaches and already here, but a new high quality coach could bring in guys just as good at their respective jobs. They are not irreplaceable.
I will repeat, the HC is the most important man in the Football ops building. Not the DC and not the DLine coach. This is fact.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:42 pm to Goldrush25
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If you want to throw out what he did at Ole Miss, then he has no resume as a HC for his own team. Basically his supporters want to experiment with him as coach, which is mind-boggling for a program of LSU's caliber.
Yep. The only reason he was the interim at USC and LSU is BECAUSE he was the HC at ole miss and has that administrative and organizational background. Thank god Alleva will not ignore his last full time coaching job.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:48 pm to SportTiger1
Alleva needs to make all of the successful HC candidates and top assistants say no before Orgeron is considered. They shouldn't consider him a moment sooner than that.
People say just hire a great OC and let that guy run the offense. I just don't think a major program can get away with that, with the coordinators running their sides of the ball without expert input from the HC. That setup is at best a house of cards.
People say just hire a great OC and let that guy run the offense. I just don't think a major program can get away with that, with the coordinators running their sides of the ball without expert input from the HC. That setup is at best a house of cards.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:58 pm to JackVincennes
not counting that he is the best DL coach in the country.
When did this happen? O's rep for years was he was a good (although pretty shady) recruiter but not much of a DL coach. He was run out of the Saints staff after one season because his strength (recruiting) isn't worth much in the NFL. Now, since he's joined the LSU staff he has morphed into the Don Shula or Vince Lombardi of DL coaches. Really?
Posted on 10/11/16 at 2:19 pm to Goldrush25
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I just don't think a major program can get away with that, with the coordinators running their sides of the ball without expert input from the HC.
Well if you are going to do it, you have to have two top notch coordinators. If you lose Aranda next year, you better replace him with another top 3 DC, because O can not be counted on to scheme against teams. It's basically a wasted position. Why not go out and get a guy that can run one side of the ball successfully, that way you only need one big name coordinator?
Posted on 10/11/16 at 2:35 pm to SportTiger1
Yep. I guess you're making a point that I was implying. Why even bother with Coach O if you're going to hire two top coordinators? Just hire one of the coordinators as HC, that way we don't have to worry about that guy bolting in a couple of years if he has success.
It has to be the Cajun heritage, that has to be why so many want him to get this job. The recruiting is nice, and certainly being a good recruiter is something that great coaches need to be. But if that's all he has, then that doesn't make him a great coach. It just means he has one quality of a great coach. The other stuff matters just as much.
What is Coach O's value when the team is on a two game losing streak and no one wants to hear the rah-rah crap anymore? Energy doesn't last forever. A HC needs multiple skills to build a great program. He can't be a one trick pony that sits back and lets everyone else do the work for him.
It has to be the Cajun heritage, that has to be why so many want him to get this job. The recruiting is nice, and certainly being a good recruiter is something that great coaches need to be. But if that's all he has, then that doesn't make him a great coach. It just means he has one quality of a great coach. The other stuff matters just as much.
What is Coach O's value when the team is on a two game losing streak and no one wants to hear the rah-rah crap anymore? Energy doesn't last forever. A HC needs multiple skills to build a great program. He can't be a one trick pony that sits back and lets everyone else do the work for him.
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 2:39 pm to Goldrush25
upvote
Posted on 10/11/16 at 8:11 pm to TrueTigerTale
He had a 3-21 SEC record at Ole Miss....
Posted on 10/11/16 at 8:31 pm to UFFan
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He had a 3-21 SEC record at Ole Miss....
Nah man. Those losses are past the statute of limitations. Can't count them anymore.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 9:35 pm to SportTiger1
I can't believe that so many USCw fans wanted him as permanent head coach and now some LSU fans do too.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:31 pm to UFFan
LINK
NFL Scout Raves About Orgeron practice
OK, maybe I'm just stirring the pot now.
NFL Scout Raves About Orgeron practice
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“It’s something that, when I had the opportunity to do it (at USC), I believe that it works,” Orgeron said in early October. “There’s a lot of ways to skin a cat, but this is the way that I have seen work, the methods I’ve learned under some great coaches, so I always said, ‘When I get my opportunity to do it, that’s what I wanted to do, and the guys are going to enjoy it.'”
OK, maybe I'm just stirring the pot now.
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