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re: Why Riley over Aranda?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:04 pm to Leonides
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:04 pm to Leonides
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Dave doesn’t wilt under pressure because he’s a tactician always scheming and adjusting, including dealing with the press.
Lastly, Dave can be hired for a lot less money and he’s proven himself a superior tactician to Riley head to head.
Aranda owns Riley regardless of the roster talent disparity. Riley came off as a spoiled brat whining about a FG when he never lets off the gas offensively. Bitch move and his teams reflect their HC. CFP doesn't trust his teams and it shows in the rankings. That will follow him to his next job.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 10:05 pm
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:05 pm to TerryFoldsFoldyFlaps
As evidenced by Aranda’s 2-3 star defensive talent at Baylor, defense beats great offensive coaching and talent.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:06 pm to berniemoore
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suggest it was Riley’s side
If true, that’s very concerning. The next question should be, why would Riley’s side leak?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:09 pm to TrueTigerTale
More money from ou
It’s get me a raise season
It’s get me a raise season
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:10 pm to Leonides
Three reason and two has to do with defensive talent.
1) Recruiting- you see whats happening at Florida right now. Aranda is a better person than Dan but from a football perspective they are the same. Aranda won't embarrass our program like Mullen will but those are great schematically and poor recruiters. At times they will get the most out of some players but eventually the program will reduce. Aranda is playing with Rhules recruits right now and its not proven he can continue to build. Advantage Riley
2) Athough Riley inherited a solid program and he has continued to recruit at a high level (check out his 2023 class so far) its extremely difficult to lure defensive recruits to OU. The big 12 is not known for defense and the state of Oklahoma produces no real talent. They constantly have to fight in Texas for scraps to the SEC. Louisiana doesn't have that issue. Defensive players grow on trees down here. My take here is that regardless of the coach, a winning LSU program will get elite defensive players. Something OU has not done in over a decade. Advantage to Riley as an offensive minded HC knowing that he is in a fertile defensive recruiting ground.
3) aranda actually did coach the defense in Louisiana, the fertile recruiting ground previously mentioned and this board bitched and moaned about him as technically his defense declined each year he was here even though he had all the talent in the world. Unless Aranda brought Tom Herman as his OC (since they were college roomates) i dont trust that he would be able to bring the offense necessary to LSU and we have been down that road. Maybe Jeff Grimes would come with him. Which is cool, but he may want to take the reigns at Baylor. Again, advantage Riley as we have already seen Arandas defense in Baton Rouge and at the time, it left much to be desired.
And thats why Riley over Aranda.
1) Recruiting- you see whats happening at Florida right now. Aranda is a better person than Dan but from a football perspective they are the same. Aranda won't embarrass our program like Mullen will but those are great schematically and poor recruiters. At times they will get the most out of some players but eventually the program will reduce. Aranda is playing with Rhules recruits right now and its not proven he can continue to build. Advantage Riley
2) Athough Riley inherited a solid program and he has continued to recruit at a high level (check out his 2023 class so far) its extremely difficult to lure defensive recruits to OU. The big 12 is not known for defense and the state of Oklahoma produces no real talent. They constantly have to fight in Texas for scraps to the SEC. Louisiana doesn't have that issue. Defensive players grow on trees down here. My take here is that regardless of the coach, a winning LSU program will get elite defensive players. Something OU has not done in over a decade. Advantage to Riley as an offensive minded HC knowing that he is in a fertile defensive recruiting ground.
3) aranda actually did coach the defense in Louisiana, the fertile recruiting ground previously mentioned and this board bitched and moaned about him as technically his defense declined each year he was here even though he had all the talent in the world. Unless Aranda brought Tom Herman as his OC (since they were college roomates) i dont trust that he would be able to bring the offense necessary to LSU and we have been down that road. Maybe Jeff Grimes would come with him. Which is cool, but he may want to take the reigns at Baylor. Again, advantage Riley as we have already seen Arandas defense in Baton Rouge and at the time, it left much to be desired.
And thats why Riley over Aranda.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:12 pm to Leonides
Recruiting wins championship, just look at David Shaw at Stanford who has the top 3 salary in college football and last I saw he was 3-6 this season.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:12 pm to berniemoore
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Winning regular season games does not impress me let him win a playoff game the he can apply to the big time
So Saban, Helfric, Urban, Smart, Day and Dabo make up your entire list?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:12 pm to berniemoore
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Winning regular season games does not impress me let him win a playoff game the he can apply to the big time
If he didn’t win regular season games he wouldn’t be in the playoff…. Just saying
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:13 pm to nola2269
If Herman is part of the Aranda staff Dave can stay at Baylor or go to SC
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:14 pm to CalTiger53
David Shaw
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:15 pm to berniemoore
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Winning regular season games does not impress me let him win a playoff game the he can apply to the big time
There are only a handful of coaches that have won a playoff game. If that’s your criteria for choosing a coach then you got like 5 to choose from and just fired one of them.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:16 pm to SammyTiger
At 12-15 million a year only Saban makes the cut and I don’t think he comes back
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:16 pm to nola2269
Nola2269, respect. Great response.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:17 pm to 0
0, great point.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:17 pm to Leonides
I think Riley is using this as a smokescreen to become the second highest paid coach in college football. Plain and simple. I like Aranda with a good offensive coorinator
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:19 pm to 0
Not the criteria but for the kind of contract being bandied about the needs to be more than what Riley has done
If you can get him for 8 million go for it but we all know he is not coming for that salary
If you can get him for 8 million go for it but we all know he is not coming for that salary
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:19 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Yes sir. I agree with you.
Either is an upgrade, I just believe Aranda could be the next great head coach. Of course, time will tell.
Either is an upgrade, I just believe Aranda could be the next great head coach. Of course, time will tell.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:21 pm to Leonides
I upvoted the response too but that doesn’t justify 12-15 million
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:21 pm to Leonides
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My point is that Dave has severely outcoached Riley the 3 times they’ve met.
Riley won last season 27-14 and controlled that entire game. In fact, Baylor scored that last touchdown in garbage time with less than a minute to go.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:22 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
As long as it’s not Herman
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