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re: Why O is the right guy for this program.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:33 am to Macintosh504
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:33 am to Macintosh504
It's the same playbook and the same plays the players have practiced all along. Desean Smith said exactly this in his post game interview after USM. Ensminger is just calling the plays now.
That's the difference .
That's the difference .
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Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:34 am to Lester Earl
Because the overreactioners need to be put in their place so us nega Os gotta constantly tell them how stupid they are with them saying how O should be made full time head coach now.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:40 am to Tiger Ree
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I disagree. When Houston beat Oklahoma to start the season there were probably a whole bunch of people who thought Houston was one of the top teams in the country. If a team can beat OU there is no reason for them to Lose to Navy and SMU and struggle against Tulsa.
There were a lot of people who thought we'd be Wisconsin and Auburn too, we all saw how that turned out. Houston has the talent in the right spots to beat a good team, but they don't have the depth to consistently perform at that level week in and week out. Our 2nd/3rd string players could probably start at Houston. I'm not saying Herman is flawless but he has a ton of upside and specializes in offense which is what we need. If he continues to drop games other than Louisville this year then yeah his name should go down the list. There aren't that many offensive gurus up for grabs right now that don't come with some baggage or have less experience as a HC.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:43 am to Tiger Ree
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by Herman's team has been over the last month
A month filled with players reading about their coach is on the way to Texas or LSU. How did LSU do in 2004 when they started hearing their coach was going to Miami?
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they were over 10 years ago.
And NO school hired the guy in ten years to run their program after those losses, but you want LSU to because we are 3-0 against teams with a combined record of 8-12?
If LSU has to settle on him, we all need to stop with LSU is such a plum job that any coach in American wants to come here.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:43 am to 7nette
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Ranks are only accurate towards the end of the year, when it's early in the season it's based on resume and potential. Nobody honestly thought there were only 5 teams in the entire country better than them. Not sure why 2 losses disqualify Herman but 27 are ignored for Coach O. Any candidate we're looking for is going to have bad losses here and there.
But everyone says LSU is a Top 5 team because their pre-season ranking said so and that's why if O wins it doesn't matter much because they are so talented. So which is it?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:44 am to LSU Groupee
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It's laughable that some want to bet the LSU football future on, "i know he failed bad the last time he ran a program, but that's the past and maybe he is better now."
Actually, I think the O crowd is looking at what he did at USC after becoming HC in the middle of the season and how different the LSU has looked the past three games with him as head coach.
It's not like O quit coaching after his stint at Ole Miss.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:48 am to 7nette
Wow, didn't read the previous 7 pages. We need to chill. The LSU season is just beginning because The LSU schedule is November loaded. November determines the success of this program. That has been the failure of Les the past few years. Let's wait until Thanksgiving and see how O fared. No one can fairly judge his current ability until then.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:49 am to Salmon
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yet the coaches before and after him had greater success at the same place
The guy after Coach O went 9-4 his first two seasons with what coach O had established. Look at what he did his last two years in which all of O's players had graduated.
Hugh Freeze had a comment on this last week, so I looked it up, did the math and by God he was correct. Houston Nutt only did well at Ole Miss with Coach O's players and the program O has established. Once that was gone the guy couldn't coach himself out of a wet paper sack.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:51 am to GeauxBayouBengals
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LSU is in position to get one of the top coaches in the nation
Who is this coach you speak of?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:52 am to prplngldtigr
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retty much true....ensminger has run the Offense from start to finish. Aranda has continued to run his defense. Ponamsky has handled the perimeter (including being the man behind bringing former Tigers back)...Ed has been shaking hands and kissing babies. Aaaayyyeeeeee Cher!!! We gon pass a good time yeah on dat tell da troot Monday! Hahahhaha he ain't done sht ( by his own admission ...and you Ediots , hang your hat on his admissions) except play politics like a good ole boy.
Wait, I was chastised for stating people are implying O is a big dumb Cajun. Hmm. Not even implying here are we?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:53 am to Tiger Ree
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The guy after Coach O went 9-4 his first two seasons with what coach O had established. Look at what he did his last two years in which all of O's players had graduated.
Coach O's players also went 0-8 in conference the year before. You can't use the Coach X's players argument when both coaches before and after performed much better than he did.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:00 am to 7nette
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There were a lot of people who thought we'd be Wisconsin and Auburn too, we all saw how that turned out.
Sure did, LSU fired their head coach. Herman lost to SMU and is still heralded on this board as being some kind of God-sent savior.
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Houston has the talent in the right spots to beat a good team, but they don't have the depth to consistently perform at that level week in and week out
We're talking Navy and SMU here. Not Bama, Auburn, Miss, and Florida.
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Herman is flawless but he has a ton of upside
How exactly do you know how much upside he has? Is it his whole 1 1/2 years of experience?
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If he continues to drop games other than Louisville this year then yeah his name should go down the list.
After the poor performance against SMU I wouldn't bet money on Houston.
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There aren't that many offensive gurus up for grabs right now that have less experience as a HC.
I agree wholeheartedly, which is why I don't think there is any way Herman should be considered to be the head coach at LSU.
edited to correct the second quote
This post was edited on 10/28/16 at 10:41 am
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:04 am to LSU Groupee
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A month filled with players reading about their coach is on the way to Texas or LSU. How did LSU do in 2004 when they started hearing their coach was going to Miami?
Is it not the sign of a good coach to guide his team through distractions about things like rumors he may leave. The players can't believe he will be at Houston forever to begin with.
LSU played one game after it was announced that day or the day before that he HAD ACCEPTED the Miami job. That may be a case of Saban quitting more than the players. LSU had that game won if not for the no-call for holding on the last play of the game.
Houston sucked the whole game against SMU and never held the lead. I would say the instances are quite different.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:04 am to Tiger Ree
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How exactly do you know how much upside he has? Is it his whole 1 1/2 years of experience?
Yes, his 1 1/2 years of experience that has the same amount of total wins, more ranked wins and more bowl wins than Coach O in 5.
Herman has obviously looked disappointing the last few games but that could also be due to the players knowing that he's leaving. Or maybe he's just not as good as advertised, we'll know more about both Coach O and Herman a month from now.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:04 am to Tiger Ree
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I think the O crowd is looking at what he did at USC after becoming HC
Being a stop gap head coach and being on a four year contract as a real head coach responsible for every freaking decision about a program is like night to day different.
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past three games
Against three of the worst run defenses around. There probably isnt a position coach on staff who couldn't have gone 3-0.
The smart play is to simply sit back and watch what happens and who becomes available, but we have people who already want to give the LSU job away to a guy who hasn't been able to land a head coach job in ten years.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:11 am to HMTVBrian2
I wonder if this many people would be clamoring for O if he wasn't from Louisiana?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:11 am to Tiger Ree
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Is it not the sign of a good co
But losing 60% of your games as a head coach and not being able to land another head coach job in ten years is a good sign because we won three games against bad teams?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:17 am to Salmon
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Nobody is dismissing his failures. Some of us are looking at the entire portfolio, which is what rational, intelligent, leaders do.
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there is nothing rational or intelligent about elevating his interim experience above his actual HC experience
I would agree with this if his head coaching experience did not precede his interim experience
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:19 am to HMTVBrian2
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So he shouldn't be judged on his past?
Really convenient that you leave out his "past" as an interim head coach at two programs where he is 9-2.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:25 am to Salmon
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better than O
Coach O made this team do a complete 180 on offense. Herman currently is on a downward spiral.
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