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re: Why is it taking Texas so long to make a hire?
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:53 pm to Jack Bauer7
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:53 pm to Jack Bauer7
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i can't wait til all the dusk settles, 8 man commitee, home run hire, all the money in the world and they hire franklin
Franklin isn't white enough.
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Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:54 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Conferences don't fold when they're perceived as strong.
Okay, but this still has very little to do with this thread, from my perspective. I'm arguing that perception aside, the Big 12 is probably the 2nd or 3rd best football conference.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:54 pm to TK421
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I'm arguing that perception aside, the Big 12 is probably the 2nd or 3rd best football conference.
Big 12 1996-2009? Yes
Big 12 2010-2013? Absolutely not
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:57 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Franklin isn't white enough
IDK..CNS has some Mediterranean blood or something..he can get awfully tan..even with the straw hat on.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:58 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Big 12 2010-2013? Absolutely not
If you discount all stats and inter conference records, you have a point.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:00 pm to TK421
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This is where brand comes into play.
Wait a minute, I thought we weren't talking about brands?
If we are talking brands the Big 12 has the worst brand of the Big 5. That is clear.
And I think it has the perceived worst football quality when you consider that a one loss Stanford was ranked ahead of a undefeated Baylor. Stanford isn't some traditional powerhouse ala OU, Texas, tOSU, etc. But there they were ahead of the Big 12's best team with a loss to Utah. So based on perception of the quality of football, the Big 12 is 5th. And perception is all that matters in college football.
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Had that undefeated eventual Big 12 champ been either Oklahoma or Texas, they would have been ranked higher. In a similar manner, how long would take an undefeated Maryland team to rise to the top five? The perception is that the Big 12 is down because the perennial powers are down, when in reality the bottom tier of that conference has gotten much better recently.
What do you mean by the bolded part? Texas was a half-time away from outright winning the Big 12 (which they have only done twice) and OU is in a BCS game. Sure Texas is looking for a new coach, but OU has always been the most successful Big 12 team and they are ranked with double digit wins right now.
What your statement basically implies is: "the Big 12 perception-wise is down because Texas is merely average instead of excellent."
To which I will respond that any conference that is dependent on one team's fortunes to determine its worth is not a great conference no matter if that team is doing good or not.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:02 pm to Goldrush25
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What incessant Saban rumors? You take this board stuff seriously?
LOL! You're joking right?
And no I really don't take things that seriously. If you read my post sufficiently you would have detected that I really don't care all that much about what is being said.
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The vast majority of it comes from this board, yet you gumps keep reacting to it on here like a moth to a flame.
Mmm hmm, and so you think the fact that a steaming pile of bs messages is responded to on a MESSAGE BOARD is indicative of this ^^^? Right on!
I think in reality when those posting the Saban stuff make the disclaimer, like you did, you're just trying to "hedge your bets" on your claims. So when these rumors don't happen, you can saunter up on here and say "Oh yeah, we were just trolling you gumps, blah blah"...like you're clever, so all of us pawn gumps can oooh and ahhh over your wit. You tell me how clever you are when it's rather obvious what you're doing?
This post was edited on 12/20/13 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:05 pm to cardboardboxer
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If we are talking brands the Big 12 has the worst brand of the Big 5.
I think you are very mistaken. The brand varies from school to school within each conference. FSU is held in a higher esteem than Duke, Texas is higher than Kansas, and LSU is higher than Kentucky. The perennial powers get the benefit of the doubt regardless of conference.
Besides, my whole argument is that perception is not reality. The Big 12 is, realistically, still the second or third best football conference.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:15 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Why is it taking Texas so long to make a hire?
uhhh... because it's important?
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:20 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Waiting for the sugar bowl to end
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:21 pm to cardboardboxer
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Texas was a half-time away from outright winning the Big 12 (which they have only done twice)
3 times. (Unless you're refusing to legitimize their win in the 2009 Championship game)
Mackovic won in 1996.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:24 pm to TK421
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I think you are very mistaken. The brand varies from school to school within each conference.
Well sure, each school has their own brand and the blue bloods in every conference get a benefit of doubt other teams don't get.
But there is still such a thing as conference brands. For some conferences, the brand is so valuable it has been motenized through a network.
So out of the brands for the major conferences, the Big 12's is easily the worst. No network or potential for a network (like the ACC has). Plus only they and the ACC lost any teams in realignment, and after those losses the Big 12 got WVU and TCU while the ACC got ND and UL.
Now that doesn't mean every brand in the Big 12 is worthless, just that the Big 12 brand is weak. And that is by design, as the top programs of the Big 12 prefered a model where the conference brand would not leach off of the team brand (as it does in the SEC). I personally think this was a huge mistake, but even someone who agrees with that model also has to agree it leads to a weak Big 12 brand.
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Besides, my whole argument is that perception is not reality. The Big 12 is, realistically, still the second or third best football conference.
First of all, I would argue perception is reality. In both the BCS era and in the future playoff era the entire setup is basically a beauty contest. Unlike the NFL everything isn't and won't be settled on the field, which means perception determines access to success. And by perception an undefeated Baylor was behind a one-loss Stanford.
I mean, I guess I can't argue with you personally thinking the Big 12 is second or third. So instead I will say it is fourth or fifth in the eyes of the national media, and their opinion is the one that matters.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:25 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
My bad. Three times.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:34 pm to TK421
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and inter conference records
2010:
vs. SEC: 1-2
vs. PAC 10: 3-2
vs. Big East: 1-0
vs. Big Ten: 1-1
vs. ACC: 2-0
2011:
vs. SEC: 0-2
vs. PAC 12: 4-1
vs. Big East: 0-1
vs. Big Ten: 3-0
vs. ACC: 3-1
2012:
vs. SEC: 1-1
vs. Big Ten: 3-1
vs. PAC 12: 2-2
vs. ACC: 3-0
vs. Big East: 0-1
2013:
vs. SEC: 1-2
vs. AAC: 2-0
vs. ACC: 0-1
vs. Big Ten: 0-1
Anyone else notice a steady decline?
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:35 pm to cardboardboxer
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while the ACC got ND and UL.
Don't forget Syracuse and Pittsburgh
Just so we haven't forgotten:
Since 1990:
SEC: Gained Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri, Texas A&M (Net Gain: +4)
Big Ten: Gained Penn State, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland (Net Gain: +4)
PAC 12: Gained Colorado, Utah (Net Gain: +2)
ACC: Gained Florida State, Miami, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Notre Dame*, lost Maryland (Net Gain: +6.5)
Big 8 -> Big 12: Gained Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Texas A&M, Lost Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, Missouri, Gained TCU, West Virginia (Net Gain: +2)
Big East -> American: Lost Miami, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Temple, Gained Louisville, South Florida, Connecticut, Cincinnati, Lost Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and West Virginia, Lost all of the catholic schools who took the Big East name + Notre Dame*, Gained Houston, SMU, Central Florida, Memphis, Temple, Lost Louisville. (Net Loss: -3.5)
SWC: Lost everyone and folded (Net Loss: -9)
This post was edited on 12/20/13 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:35 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:You have to remember that Baylor was not even ranked when the season started. The week Stanford lost to Utah they were ranked 1 spot behind Baylor.
that a one loss Stanford was ranked ahead of a undefeated Baylor
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:42 pm to cardboardboxer
Granted top-heavy, but, Big-12 has BCS Title winners in OU and Tex, with six BCSCG berths between them since 2000, Kansas Jayhawks clout in Hoops along with UT and OU and OSU and Baylor as occasional Final Four threat teams. Longhorn Baseball with two '00s crowns under Augie, albeit last now seven years ago, and rest of conference not real CWS threats.
Big-12 has at least one NCAA Top Five Alltimer Program in all three of the Mens Majors..and an NCAA crown in all three in last seven years..how many Top Five Conferences can claim such?
I think Big-12 losing ATM and Mizzou were huge losses, as both have some huge current and future upsides, and not necessarily all tied to gaining SEC memberships. Imho, Nebraska not as much so, of which I have great doubts Huskers may be headed down the same longterm path say Tennessee is in terms of in-state talent and longterm sustainability if trying to emulate former successes.
Big-12 has at least one NCAA Top Five Alltimer Program in all three of the Mens Majors..and an NCAA crown in all three in last seven years..how many Top Five Conferences can claim such?
I think Big-12 losing ATM and Mizzou were huge losses, as both have some huge current and future upsides, and not necessarily all tied to gaining SEC memberships. Imho, Nebraska not as much so, of which I have great doubts Huskers may be headed down the same longterm path say Tennessee is in terms of in-state talent and longterm sustainability if trying to emulate former successes.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:43 pm to 4LSU2
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1-3-14 or 1-4-14 the announcement will be made
This.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:44 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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UT and OU and OSU and Baylor as occasional Final Four threat teams
The only one of those teams that has been in a final four since the late 80's is Texas.
Oklahoma went in the late 80's.
Neither Oklahoma State or Baylor has been since the 50's.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:47 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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But reality is its not that good of a gig.
Raise your hand if another company in a great town offered you the same job you're doing now, but they'll double to triple your salary on a long term commitment-----and you would tell them you prefer the cruddier city and the lower pay?
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