re: Two very basic observations Re: Matt Campbell

Posted by SportTiger1

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:52 pm to burke985

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You said look at Saban record, so you are saying Campbell is Saban because he has a subpar record at a lesser school

Wtf is wrong with yall? The point is lesser schools have a 7-4 or 8-5 ceiling. Such records should be viewed as a GREAT season at a place like Iowa State.

Posted by LifeAquatic

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:52 pm to SportTiger1

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Dude is SOLID and anyone saying otherwise is an idiot.

“Solid” is not necessarily the same thing as “a good hire for LSU”.

If we hire Campbell we will probably always be decent. We may not compete for national championships, though, unless Campbell proves to be far better at recruiting than anybody has seen thus far.

If you want to compete for a national championship, you have to recruit—HAVE TO recruit—at a top 10 level at absolute bare minimum. Realistically, you need to be at a top 5 level. It is a complete mystery whether Campbell can recruit at that level. To this point in his career, he’s been a guy who has found success on the back of scouting and development. Scouting and development don’t cut it in the SECW. Scouting and development don’t cut it to win national championships. The category of kids you need to recruit from to compete for national championships is a category that he has never even attempted to recruit from before.

People are reeeeeeeeeallyyyy talkin themselves into this one QUICKLY.

This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 8:09 pm

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Posted by DBG

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:54 pm to LifeAquatic

We don’t know what we don’t know

There was no indication Saban and Meyer could recruit the SEC like they do/did either. Every candidate requires some projection.

Posted by Lester Earl

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:55 pm to LifeAquatic

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If you want to compete for a national championship, you have to recruit—HAVE TO recruit—at a top 10 level at absolute bare minimum. Realistically, you need to be at a top 5 level.

There’s a reason Ed Orgeron can go 10-25 at Ole Miss but end up having the best team in CFB history at LSU

Your point is mind numbingly stupid

Posted by Goldrush25

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:55 pm to LifeAquatic

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No, but he’s proven that he’s not a BETTER coach. 2 seasons ago he was winning 7-8 games per season and was on an upward trajectory. Now he’s winning 7-8 games per season and is plateaued.

We haven't seen any evidence that anyone can do better than that at ISU.

Posted by SammyTiger

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:55 pm to Lester Earl

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Yes he is

You’re right

But his offenses are worse than his defenses

Posted by berniemoore

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:56 pm to burke985

I just said I like Aranda and Napier better

Are you reading comprehension challenged or just plain old stupid

This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 8:02 pm

Posted by LifeAquatic

Member since Dec 2019

1993 posts

Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:56 pm to Magician2

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Curious how Matt will navigate that and recruiting

Campbell has never fished in those ponds before. His recruiting to this point has been limited to finding good kids who are diamonds in the rough. Can’t win a whole lot of games in the SECW with strictly high character, diamond in the rough kids. We’d be hiring a guy who has never won a major recruiting battle before and counting on him to win 15 of em per year

This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 8:06 pm

Posted by berniemoore

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:59 pm to Magician2

You break rules your gone it’s called culture
Why are you so worried about hoodlums that can’t stop smoking an illegal substance

Posted by ConeHawk

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:09 pm to Lester Earl

Excellent post.

Posted by LifeAquatic

Member since Dec 2019

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:10 pm to DBG

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There was no indication Saban and Meyer could recruit the SEC like they do/did either.

There weren’t incredibly detailed recruiting rankings back then. But I am sure that the two greatest recruiters in the history of modern CFB had shown to be pretty damn good in that category.

Posted by Goldrush25

San Diego, CA

Member since Oct 2012

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:13 pm to LifeAquatic

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Campbell has never fished in those ponds before. His recruiting to this point has been limited to finding good kids who are diamonds in the rough. Can’t win a whole lot of games in the SECW with strictly high character, diamond in the rough kids. We’d be hiring a guy who has never won a major recruiting battle before and counting on him to win 15 of em per year

Every candidate is going to have their warts, if you want to say he has unproven recruiting chops.

Campbell's HC experience far exceeds Aranda's and Napier's both in terms of years and sustained performance. How is it that he's younger and has so much more experience than the both of them combined? That is a plus for him IMO.

And let's be honest, if Napier wasn't previously a WR coach with Bama, would people here even want him? He recruited with that Bama machine behind him, good for him. Campbell was busy actually being a HC.

This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 8:17 pm

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Posted by ATLTiger

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:14 pm to Lester Earl

Seneca Wallace TYFYS

Posted by CatfishJohn

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:16 pm to ellessuuuu

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shouldn’t head to head matter….

Absolutely fricking not

Posted by DBG

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:20 pm to LifeAquatic

Maybe, maybe not. But the fact is the program makes the coach almost as the inverse.

Saban wasn’t Saban until he got to LSU.

Posted by Lester Earl

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:23 pm to Goldrush25

That’s not even a wart

No mid tier P5 team is pulling top 5 classes

And every coach goes through recruiting battles. They are just relative to their team’s level. To think he is green in this area is silky

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Posted by I20goon

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:25 pm to Lester Earl

god dammit, who smeared ketchup on my screen!

I mentioned Campbell in my list of coaches who actually elevated a program (in lieu of continuing a trend of good/bad).

We could do much worse.

I could distill the numerous questions I would have about a head coach down to two:

1. Does he get the most out of the talent he is able to obtain?

2. How does he do #1?

That eliminates recruiting disadvantages. That eliminates being stuck in a conference/division with perennial powers. That eliminates disadvantages resulting from poor support.

If a guy can do what he has done all the while changing the direction of a program (to the positive) he has to be able to do 3 things:
1. Run a program
2. Coach
3. Hire good assistants.

If he can adjust to recruiting at this level, in the SEC, he can be a HC in the SEC. I see no other way of looking at it.

Posted by DBG

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Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:29 pm to I20goon

He doesn’t have to handle recruiting by himself either. When Sabes came here, he brought in SEC guys like Muschamp and Dooley and Smart and Pete Jenkins and Jimbo. He probably knew he was deficient in that area needed help wading those waters.