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The timing isn’t bad at all. The NFL just finished
Posted on 1/9/21 at 8:44 am
Posted on 1/9/21 at 8:44 am
1/2 the playoff teams will be finished this weekend.
There will be options. There may be better options.
People melted when we didn’t get Herman. It worked out. Hell I remember the southern miss dc left saban for Arkansas when he was here. It happens.
We got our entire team and a top 5 signing class coming back. We are going to be ok. We got players and experienced players, now.
Go get a Denzel Martin or a Mike Macdonald type of guy or you can go get a David reeves at a lower school. There are plenty options that may turn out better than the one who didn’t come. Just be patient and get the guy who wants to get the job done.
There will be options. There may be better options.
People melted when we didn’t get Herman. It worked out. Hell I remember the southern miss dc left saban for Arkansas when he was here. It happens.
We got our entire team and a top 5 signing class coming back. We are going to be ok. We got players and experienced players, now.
Go get a Denzel Martin or a Mike Macdonald type of guy or you can go get a David reeves at a lower school. There are plenty options that may turn out better than the one who didn’t come. Just be patient and get the guy who wants to get the job done.
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Posted on 1/9/21 at 8:46 am to dos crystal
You do realize 2019 was lightning in a bottle right? You have way to much faith in O.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 8:49 am to dos crystal
quote:The hell it isn't. The timing is horrific.
The timing isn’t bad at all
quote:I agree, which they had what? Two months to figure all that out? There should have been a list of those options before season's end. And All of the last two weeks should have been dedicated to interviews and phone calls with those choices.
There are plenty options that may turn out better than the one who didn’t come.
quote:The problem with this idea is the longer you wait, the less you have to choose from. Because the people you're going up against are not being patient right now.
Just be patient
Posted on 1/9/21 at 8:53 am to dos crystal
But Matt Patricia is available now
Posted on 1/9/21 at 8:54 am to RealityTiger
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The hell it isn't. The timing is horrific.
What? Why would the timing be horrific? College football season isn't even technically over, late signing period still a month away, NFL still playing.
Other than soothe the feelings of some mad fans, there is no rush. This hire could take place in February.
In fact, until recently, most hires took place after the February signing period.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 9:00 am to LSUTIGERS8181
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You do realize 2019 was lightning in a bottle right? You have way to much faith in O.
No, I’ve been around a while. People said Saban would fail after the UAB loss, Les would Fail and he was Larry Coker, he got us natty and played for another, people have been saying O will fail, he got us natty last year. These people have been wrong for 20 years.
I have faith in LSU, I have faith in the players on the team, I have faith in the administration. I have faith that our success will bring us a talented coach.
Just 4 years ago Brian Kelly had a losing season. 4-8. Now people think he’s a great coach. He stole our savior D.C.
This post was edited on 1/9/21 at 9:03 am
Posted on 1/9/21 at 9:38 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Tell that to Auburn, Notre Dame, and Texas.
What? Why would the timing be horrific? College football season isn't even technically over, late signing period still a month away, NFL still playing.
Meanwhile, LSU is left standing at the alter once again. But hey, be patient right?
quote:As if it's so simplistic as that. This hire (defensive coordinator) is basically Coach O's lifeline for his job. He screws that up and gets some yo yo last minute and has the same type season, we're discussing head coach next year on the coaching changes board. I have no past performance to make this a logical action on my part, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and say he realize that and gets it right.
soothe the feelings of some mad fans
But let's not pretend like he has proven he will. We have very little evidence of effective coaching hires that he's made (besides Joe Brady). And that wasn't Coach O. That was Steve Ensminger attending a clinic and going to O and telling him we need to snatch him up.
This post was edited on 1/9/21 at 9:39 am
Posted on 1/9/21 at 9:38 am to LSUTIGERS8181
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You do realize 2019 was lightning in a bottle right? You have way to much faith in O
Shut up, if you blame him for everything bad then give him credit for possibly the best college football season EVER!
Posted on 1/9/21 at 9:43 am to WilsonPickett
quote:If I was to give out shared credit % on the factors that made 2019 possible, I would say Coach O was about 25% of it.
give him credit
25% Coach O
25% Joe Brady (thank you Steve Ensminger for recommending him)
25% Dave Aranda
25% LSU players we had at the time (mostly Heisman winning Joe Burrow)
Posted on 1/9/21 at 9:58 am to dos crystal
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No, I’ve been around a while. People said Saban would fail after the UAB loss, Les would Fail and he was Larry Coker, he got us natty and played for another, people have been saying O will fail, he got us natty last year. These people have been wrong for 20 years.
I have faith in LSU, I have faith in the players on the team, I have faith in the administration. I have faith that our success will bring us a talented coach.
I don’t even know where to start.
What we’ve learned is that almost any monkey in a space suit can win games at LSU. We have a talent rich state and have zero in state competition. A truly solid head coach could win multiple titles and have us in elite status continually. Miles was faaaar from a great coach and even he got us a natty.
O is near the bottom of the list for any other school looking for a head coach. He can only be successful if he gets the formula just right. Even he did it 2 seasons ago and won a title.
He’s not even trusted enough by our current AD to make hires by himself.
LSU has botched the last 2 head coaching searches and we’ve still had some success. Just think what a truly good coach could do. We’re gonna ride this Orgeron rollercoaster a while longer then boot him off when it becomes apparent he can’t sustain success over the long haul.
Will we then finally make a solid head hire? Who knows? Until we do we’ll keep riding this crazy ride with some high highs and some insane dips and some nauseating loops.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:25 am to LSUTIGERS8181
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You do realize 2019 was lightning in a bottle right? You have way to much faith in O.
Even if is was lightning in a bottle, I'm pretty sure everybody enjoyed it. Including you!! I have faith in O. But, you guys lack patience. You hate lightning in a bottle, but these potential hires can probably create it again. And, you all will love it the same way. So relax man, WE will be fine.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:34 am to geauxjo
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LSU has botched the last 2 head coaching searches and we’ve still had some success. Just think what a truly good coach could do.
??, Ok, tell me what universities, there are 110, that got their last two hires right and won a n.c. With each?
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:41 am to dos crystal
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??, Ok, tell me what universities, there are 110, that got their last two hires right and won a n.c. With each?
Went right over your head. Read it again. All your answers are right there.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:44 am to LSUser91
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You hate lightning in a bottle, but these potential hires can probably create it again.
Wait so you think lightening in a bottle is the goal? That’s the aim of successful stable programs? That’s what LSU should be content with?
Posted on 1/9/21 at 11:02 am to geauxjo
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Went right over your head. Read it again. All your answers are right there.
Still waiting.
If any goon can coach LSU to a NC why didn’t it happen from 1958 to 2003.
I know, I’m not very smart and you are. I get your point. I’m asking you the questions because you are the smart one.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 12:24 pm to dos crystal
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If any goon can coach LSU to a NC why didn’t it happen from 1958 to 2003. I know, I’m not very smart and you are. I get your point. I’m asking you the questions because you are the smart one.
Because the ingredients for lasting success got put in place by the one great hire we made in the last 20 years- Nick Saban. He called LSU a sleeping giant. Just waiting for the right decisions to be made to get us to that place of eliteness.
Any decent coach could always win here. Saban showed us the pattern for greatness. Now that the pieces are in place for sustained success we just have to make the right hires to keep the ship going. So what do we do? We hire Miles. So the success is much less sustainable and consistent. Then we hire O. Same story.
Now we’re in a place where we’ll see flashes of what LSU could be- but never the consistently that a truly good coach could bring us. Unless you think Miles and O are really good coaches. Because nothing about their resumes outside of LSU shows that. We settled. Twice. Are we content with the “lightening in a bottle” every 5 or 6 years or do we want a more sustainable pattern? We’ll be looking for a new head coach in the not too distant future. O’s model that now requires the AD to hold his hand and do his job is completely unsustainable. Maybe he falls into a nice DC hire and we experience a bit more success. Maybe we make another Canada, Pellini type hire. If it’s the latter, Os tenure here will be over. Quickly.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 12:29 pm to RealityTiger
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25% Coach O 25% Joe Brady (thank you Steve Ensminger for recommending him) 25% Dave Aranda 25% LSU players we had at the time (mostly Heisman winning Joe Burrow)
40% Brady
40% players
15% Aranda
5% Rest of coaching staff (O included)
Posted on 1/9/21 at 12:39 pm to geauxjo
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Because the ingredients for lasting success got put in place by the one great hire we made in the last 20 years- Nick Saban
The Great Nick Saban put in place the same ingredients at Michigan St. Why haven’t they had the same success?
Posted on 1/9/21 at 12:59 pm to dos crystal
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The Great Nick Saban put in place the same ingredients at Michigan St. Why haven’t they had the same success?
Come on man. You’re been around. You know the dynamics it takes to be consistently elite. We are the “only game in town” in La. There is no other state school to compete with. The abundance of top high school talent in our state. We could compete for titles just with La kids alone if we got them all. The rabid fan base. The resources. The facilities. Everything is in place. All we need are smart, stable coaching hires to keep us at that level. I can give you quite a few reasons that EO isn’t that guy for the long haul. But I’m banking on the fact that you know what those challenges in him are already.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 1:12 pm to RealityTiger
Nothing in your post relates to timing. Yes, it’s important to get the hire right. The timing is not relevant.
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