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re: "Stuck with Miles" question
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:55 pm to Chimlim
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:55 pm to Chimlim
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Hi Coach....We just fired a coach who won a NC two years ago, then went 8-5 with a freshman QB after he kicked off the 5* junior QB who was waiting to start, and then went 9-3 with another first year QB starting. This is totally unaccpetable. Do you want to coach here?"
This scenario combined with the ridiculous buyout Miles has are the reasons why we aren't firing Miles.
Someone would gladly take the job, but Miles isn't going anywhere for at least a year and more likely 2 years.
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Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:57 pm to kbro
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but Miles isn't going anywhere for at least a year and more likely 2 years.
Miles has no excuse next year not to win the west. Depending on how the season goes, if he doesn't win the west, he might be gone.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:59 pm to Chimlim
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Miles has no excuse next year not to win the west.
Except the fact that Bama will be the favorite to win the west.
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Depending on how the season goes, if he doesn't win the west, he might be gone.
It's a possibility, but if he wins 8 or 9 games I'd say 2011 is the make or break year.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:02 pm to kbro
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Except the fact that Bama will be the favorite to win the west.
If we want to be the best, we have the beat the best.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:10 pm to Chimlim
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If we want to be the best, we have the beat the best.
Agreed but if every SEC coach got fired b/c he couldn't consistently beat Bama/UF there would only be 2 coaches left in the SEC.
I'm not saying I don't want to do this or expect to do it. But going by Maximus' and others standards around here every program in the nation is garbage except for Bama, UF and Texas. (add USC when I joined this board)
I am not a Miles fan at all, but he isn't going anywhere. Since that is the case I want him to bring in the best assistants/coordinators possible and the best recruits possible so that we have the best chance of winning the SECCG and the NC.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:17 pm to kbro
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Agreed but if every SEC coach got fired b/c he couldn't consistently beat Bama/UF there would only be 2 coaches left in the SEC.
That's not why Miles would get fired. Like I said we have the 108th ranked offense this year and we need to see how next year goes.
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But going by Maximus' and others standards around here every program in the nation is garbage except for Bama, UF and Texas. (add USC when I joined this board)
We need to have high standards. Our football program does not need to go back to the days of conceding defeat to Bama and Florida again. We are a better program then that, we should be competing with Bama and Florida. (Which we have been..)
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Since that is the case I want him to bring in the best assistants/coordinators possible and the best recruits possible so that we have the best chance of winning the SECCG and the NC.
Same here, I hope Miles wins many many more NCs. But he is going to start feeling heat if we can't keep up with Bama and Florida.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:27 pm to Chimlim
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Like I said we have the 108th ranked offense this year and we need to see how next year goes.
Yes and if the O improves, the D stays the same and we lose 3 games Miles isn't getting fired.
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We need to have high standards
We should and we do have high standards.
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we should be competing with Bama and Florida. (Which we have been..)
and w/ a different OC/OL coach next year could be a different story regarding the outcome of these 2 games.
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But he is going to start feeling heat if we can't keep up with Bama and Florida.
You're right and I don't think we're that far off at this point. Make the right changes and we'll be fine. Leave things status quo and I say he's gone in 2 years.
I'm just not the type of fan who is going to come on this site every day for the next 2 years and shred the head coach. Just isn't my idea of fun.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:28 pm to kbro
quote:So pay a coach 4 mil a year for continous 2nd place finishes? Like I said, LSU is getting bent over.
Agreed but if every SEC coach got fired b/c he couldn't consistently beat Bama/UF there would only be 2 coaches left in the SEC.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:39 pm to Dennis4LSU
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So pay a coach 4 mil a year for continous 2nd place finishes? Like I said, LSU is getting bent over
I'm not disagreeing with you, but it's where we are right now like it or not. We KNOW he isn't getting fired for this season's results.
So from there my mindset is that I want him to bring in the right staff to improve the program.
The alternative is hoping that he fails so that he gets fired and I can't bring myself to do that yet.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:41 pm to kbro
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The alternative is hoping that he fails so that he gets fired and I can't bring myself to do that yet.
I can't bring myself to do that ever
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:46 pm to Croozin2
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I can't bring myself to do that ever
If I have to watch another excruciatingly painful year of offense or another OM like debacle I might be there, so I will not say never.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:49 pm to kbro
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This scenario combined with the ridiculous buyout Miles has are the reasons why we aren't firing Miles.
Or we could go to a coach and say
"Hi, do you know how to coach? The last guy we hired couldn't coach any position, failed at recruiting at key positions, and had no idea how to manage a game. In addition he repeatedly hired failures as coordinators and refused to admit when his team had problems."
And Jim Harbaugh or Gary Patterson or Jack Del Rio would go
"Hrmmm, I under the game clock unlike that guy. I can actually act a positional coach or coordinator unlike that guy. I understand how to coach a QB up. I can find good coordinators. All in all that guy didn't do a good job no wonder he got fired. Sure I'll come."
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:54 pm to wilder
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The only teams that had more or equal talent than us was UF and Bama. Our team was not prepared for Florida, the Bama situation was a little more sticky, but coaching was still a factor.
same people that are arguing Les is terrible are the same people who say he is not that great of a recruiter and our classes havent really panned out. So that would mean we are not as talented as the other teams. Do you watch football? Do you understand your post?
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:56 pm to LSUtigahs28
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Someone would gladly take the job
That was my quote from a post above in response to the guy who said no one would take the job if we fired Miles.
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And Jim Harbaugh or Gary Patterson or Jack Del Rio would go
Yep and I wish we were getting one of these dudes just in time for the bowl game.
The fact is we aren't so in my mind there are 2 options -
1. Root like a mother for a dismal season next year so that Miles gets fired
2. Hope like hell Miles (who is in over his head) hires the right people around him to make the progam better.
I'm going with #2 since Miles will likely be here for 2 more seasons.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:56 pm to dgnx6
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So that would mean we are not as talented as the other teams. Do you watch football? Do you understand your post?
Do you understand that either way its Les's fault?
Les is in charge of recruiting talent
Les is in charge of developing talent
Les is in charge of winning games with said talent
No matter which is the problem Les is the one on the hook.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 5:03 pm to LSUtigahs28
its either the kids' fault for not panning out or the kids' fault for underperforming. It can't be the fault of the 50 year old man making $4 million a year that he's lost 8 SEC games in 2 years.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 5:05 pm to LSUtigahs28
i was just trying to give you ur own tatse of medicine. Whether it is les' fault or not, you argue the point of having superior talent, when others argue we have lost edge on recruiting. So we are either winning with less talent than said teams above and actually competed with bama, or our talent is so good we should actually only lose 1 game a year. That is all im stating. So yes if it is les fault for everything, then it is also his fault we have won 9.6 games a year since he has been the coach.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 5:05 pm to LSUtigahs28
oops
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 12/16/09 at 5:10 pm to dgnx6
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Whether it is les' fault or not, you argue the point of having superior talent, when others argue we have lost edge on recruiting.
And there's no way to know who is right, but in either case its Les's arse who is responsible.
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So yes if it is les fault for everything, then it is also his fault we have won 9.6 games a year since he has been the coach.
Beating
ULL/ULM/La. Tech + Tulane + Troy + App. St. on a yearly basis makes that much nicer. Then add in Moo. St. and probably at least one bad team from the east.
So 6 easy wins then Les manages to coach us to two wins last year and 3 this year. Awesome.
We pay Les to beat UF, Bama, Ole Miss, Arky, etc. and he hasn't been super successful against them recently.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 5:11 pm to dgnx6
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So yes if it is les fault for everything, then it is also his fault we have won 9.6 games a year since he has been the coach.
Did we have an empty roster when he came here?
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