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re: Someone please explain to me how Briles was the Baylor scapegoat
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:15 pm to cas4t
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:15 pm to cas4t
I haven't fully read up on it or seen the 60 minutes bit.
From what I know, some of the instances were handled (mis-handled) by people under him and it is questionable if he knew. Here is one recent article supporting that claim:
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Further, the article goes on to say that he definitely only knew of one instance. I'll quote the relevant text:
So, according to this, he made no effort to sweep this under the rug, the girl found him supportive, and he supposedly encouraged the girl to go to the police.
While it seems some level of failure that he didn't report it, I have some mixed feelings about that. If the girl is encouraged to go forward, but doesn't want to, is it rightful that Briles or her coach report it on her behalf and force her to go through with it? What was the outcome for the girl's coach? Was she/he in trouble for not forcing the girl to go forward with it either? That I know of, only Briles and two non-coaches were fired over this. If the girl's coach wasn't fired, then I question whether he should have been (*based only on this instance).
I'm not saying Briles didn't turn a blind eye to misconduct. I'm saying I don't know. And I'm saying I haven't seen anything concrete saying he did. The only thing I've seen that he definitely knew about, he was reportedly supportive of the girl and encouraged her to report it. That's not consistent with the callous/indifferent behavior people are trying to pin on him.
I think most of the people on here who blindly say Briles allowed people to get raped on here are just parroting what they've heard. And they don't know anything. If they do, I'd be curious to see hear about their info and their sauces.
From what I know, some of the instances were handled (mis-handled) by people under him and it is questionable if he knew. Here is one recent article supporting that claim:
LINK
Further, the article goes on to say that he definitely only knew of one instance. I'll quote the relevant text:
quote:
In one of the alleged gang rapes, the victim, who also was an athlete, told her coach that she didn’t want to go the police. When notified of the allegation, Mr. Briles told the victim’s coach that he hoped she would go to the police, according to people familiar with the matter. One person close to the victim said she viewed Mr. Briles as supportive of her claim. However, Mr. Briles didn’t notify the school’s judicial-affairs office or the Title IX office, these people said.
So, according to this, he made no effort to sweep this under the rug, the girl found him supportive, and he supposedly encouraged the girl to go to the police.
While it seems some level of failure that he didn't report it, I have some mixed feelings about that. If the girl is encouraged to go forward, but doesn't want to, is it rightful that Briles or her coach report it on her behalf and force her to go through with it? What was the outcome for the girl's coach? Was she/he in trouble for not forcing the girl to go forward with it either? That I know of, only Briles and two non-coaches were fired over this. If the girl's coach wasn't fired, then I question whether he should have been (*based only on this instance).
I'm not saying Briles didn't turn a blind eye to misconduct. I'm saying I don't know. And I'm saying I haven't seen anything concrete saying he did. The only thing I've seen that he definitely knew about, he was reportedly supportive of the girl and encouraged her to report it. That's not consistent with the callous/indifferent behavior people are trying to pin on him.
I think most of the people on here who blindly say Briles allowed people to get raped on here are just parroting what they've heard. And they don't know anything. If they do, I'd be curious to see hear about their info and their sauces.
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:19 pm to PennyPacker
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I have a friend that knows him on a personal level and he can't believe that Briles knew.
how many time have I heard that when bad news surfaces about a person?
a lot
people suck. its time you realize that people do evil things and fact is he himself didn't call the police. if you knew about possible rape would you keep it to yourself or notify the authorities?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:19 pm to epbart
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f the girl is encouraged to go forward, but doesn't want to, is it rightful that Briles or her coach report it on her behalf and force her to go through with it?
If we are talking about the police, no you cant force an adult to go do that.
If you go start making this public without the girls consent, it could come back to bite you in the arse.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:20 pm to epbart
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While it seems some level of failure that he didn't report it, I have some mixed feelings about that. If the girl is encouraged to go forward, but doesn't want to, is it rightful that Briles or her coach report it on her behalf and force her to go through with it? What was the outcome for the girl's coach? Was she/he in trouble for not forcing the girl to go forward with it either? That I know of, only Briles and two non-coaches were fired over this. If the girl's coach wasn't fired, then I question whether he should have been (*based only on this instance).
Simple concept from someone in risk management- when in doubt, report it. No if ands or buts about it. There is no excuse for "hoping that she goes to the police" and then heading back to the film room.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:21 pm to Deactived
He should have just elevated it to his superior, or his superiors superior. That's the moral thing to do as well as the CYA thing to do.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:21 pm to cas4t
Agree. You report it to the athletic department. Going to the police, no.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:21 pm to epbart
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In one of the alleged gang rapes, the victim, who also was an athlete, told her coach that she didn’t want to go the police. When notified of the allegation, Mr. Briles told the victim’s coach that he hoped she would go to the police, according to people familiar with the matter. One person close to the victim said she viewed Mr. Briles as supportive of her claim. However, Mr. Briles didn’t notify the school’s judicial-affairs office or the Title IX office, these people said.
they went to jail. all i need to know
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:23 pm to Deactived
I agree with that 100%
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:26 pm to cas4t
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It's been proven at this point that he was made aware.
A little digging shows that he was made aware by the victim's coach. He made sure the university judicial committee had been informed, then told that coach to get the police involved.
Since the rape had happened 9 months before, the coach told him, when Briles followed up, that the victim did not want to pursue it.
3 of the four players involved were gone when Briles found out about the gang rape. The other was on suspension for a different matter and never played another down of football.
It appears as if he acted honorably and the girls coach told investigators that he did act honorably and was quite helpful.
He was a scapegoat for other incidents that did not involve athletes that he had no way of having any knowledge of.
They settled for about $20 million with him. They do not settle for that much to avoid legal fees.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:31 pm to Hangit
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It appears as if he acted honorably and the girls coach told investigators that he did act honorably and was quite helpful.
He was a scapegoat for other incidents that did not involve athletes that he had no way of having any knowledge of.
You know who doesn't know about any of that or care? Recruits' mommas. And if you let Briles in your building, you've made it beyond easy for every other coach to hit at you on the recruiting trail. Pretty easy for Freeze or Sumlin or Saban to walk into a RB's home and say to mom "Oh, the OC for LSU, yeah he got fired b/c he didn't care his players were raping girls". No way you can take that risk on at this point.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:33 pm to OldManRiver
Penn State is 10-2, playing for the championship, and ranked in the top 10, and they ran a rape factory for kids.
I think we will be alright if we hire Briles
I think we will be alright if we hire Briles
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:39 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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people suck
yep and sometimes people aren't the scum the media makes them out to be. The problem is only the "bad crap" makes the front page. When someone is exonerated or if the facts were not as originally reported....... well they bury the apology on the back page and nobody knows.
Once again, I think Briles is ultimately responsible but to what degree and at what level... I don't know if he should be kicked out of coaching forever, but based on what I have read I wouldn't let him run a program. He definitely failed at institutional control.
And to your question regarding if I would report a possible rape, if it was a stranger yes. But if it was my friend or someone I knew and someone I didn't know was making an claim.... I would encourage her to go to the authorities for sure but if she is not willing to go would it put doubt in your head as to the legitimacy of the claim? That's a fine line to walk, it's not as easy of a decision as some may think is all I am saying.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:41 pm to cas4t
19 separate women. 4 separate gang rapes. Yes, you're missing something.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:41 pm to cas4t
The WSJ article referenced multiple gang rapes. That seems really bad.
The whole pushing dealing felonies thing down to his assistants thing was unacceptable. He admitted to this. I don't care where you coach. That is not a mundane detail.
The whole pushing dealing felonies thing down to his assistants thing was unacceptable. He admitted to this. I don't care where you coach. That is not a mundane detail.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:43 pm to epbart
This is what almost all of the Baylor coaches tweeted in response to the WSJ
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:44 pm to Hangit
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Hangit
Not sure of your source, but most of that sounds reasonable-- if true. Though that article I quoted (admittedly, it's SBNation), states he didn't notify the school’s judicial-affairs office. I'm assuming the judicial committee you mention would be the same?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:50 pm to Bigtater
Thanks for that clarification.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:56 pm to cas4t
Dam LSU. I dont know if I go this direction. he's good but you gonna have a PR hit that will be bad. There's a lot of good OC's out there. Kiffin being one. If you want a spread O look all around the country, hell, everybody runs it. This is a direction you don't want to go. Not enough time has passed.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 6:05 pm to Bigtater
That certainly changes things if the victim said she didn't want to pursue.
I still don't see how he didn't elevate it to a superior to cover his arse, if anything.
I still don't see how he didn't elevate it to a superior to cover his arse, if anything.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 6:07 pm to cas4t
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I still don't see how he didn't elevate it to a superior to cover his arse, if anything
From that pic, it was sent to the athletic director before Briles.
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