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Posted on 1/1/21 at 2:53 pm to lsu777
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You serious clark?
That Harrell ran the ball more and showed more balance at UNT because he was making the best of what he had there and that he doesn’t seem to be doing the same at USC? Yeah. I’m saying that.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 2:59 pm to misey94
So three years later he was still ding that? Shows he can adapt, if he was willing to do that at unt, maybe that is what he is don't at usc?
How do you know what his norm is? It's 3 years vs 2.
I don't really give a shite honestly if we take Callaway or Harrell, I simply like pointing out you and others blatant hypocrisy and/or ignorance in the case of others.
Do why did the offense get worse when Callaway took over at samford?
How do you know what his norm is? It's 3 years vs 2.
I don't really give a shite honestly if we take Callaway or Harrell, I simply like pointing out you and others blatant hypocrisy and/or ignorance in the case of others.
Do why did the offense get worse when Callaway took over at samford?
Posted on 1/1/21 at 3:11 pm to lsu777
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I don't really give a shite honestly if we take Callaway or Harrell, I simply like pointing out you and others blatant hypocrisy and/or ignorance in the case of others.
Take your hypocrisy comments somewhere else. frick that bullshite. My interest in Callaway is due to two things. First is continuity of scheme, playbook, terminology and overall organization. Rather than installing a completely new offense, he presents an opportunity to get back to the game planning and overall offensive philosophy that we saw last year. His offensive numbers at Samford, both total and individual, point that direction rather than continuing what E and Linehan did this season. Rather than have the players installing a new system over spring, they can focus on development and new wrinkles to the existing offensive system.
The other advantage with Callaway is money. He isn’t going to cost a ton or command a massive buyout. If we need to sink a mint into the defensive side of the ball, and that is likely, then if the staff trusts that he’s ready (a big If), then it’s an opportunity to get value now with a guy who’s on the way up.
Personally, I don’t think Callaway will be the guy. But if he isn’t, why bother with Harrell unless we strike out on a few other established candidates first? If we are making a bigger move and changing systems, I would make Briles and Lebby say no before even considering Harrell. And there would be others before I got that far down the list.
No matter what, Callaway deserves to be the PGC/QB Coach. If he isn’t, then someone else will give him an on-field position this off-season.
This post was edited on 1/1/21 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 1/1/21 at 3:21 pm to misey94
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First is continuity of scheme, playbook, terminology and overall organization. Rather than installing a completely new offense, he presents an opportunity to get back to the game planning and overall offensive philosophy that we saw last year. His offensive numbers at Samford, both total and individual, point that direction rather than continuing what E and Linehan did this season. Rather than have the players installing a new system over spring, they can focus on development and new wrinkles to the existing offensive system.
He wasn't even around for that system. He had no cure He we gave planned and has run a different system his whole career. Your argument didn't make a ton of sense. He knows this years playbook.
The other advantage with Callaway is money. He isn’t going to cost a ton or command a massive buyout. If we need to sink a mint into the defensive side of the ball, and that is likely, then if the staff trusts that he’s ready (a big If), then it’s an opportunity to get value now with a guy who’s on the way up.I would rather go get the best on both sides. 2019 proved it is worth the investment.
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But if he isn’t, why bother with Harrell unless we strike out on a few other established candidates first? If we are making a bigger move and changing systems, I would make Briles and Lebby say no before even considering Harrell. And there would be others before I got that far down the list.
Harrell has put up better stats and has more experience.
Briles isn't moving but I would like Sowder who runs the veer and shoot like briles to get a look.
I'm fine with Callaway btw, but he is a poor man's Graham Harrell based off stats. Maybe Callaway would run rpo with the levels passing game integrated with his version of the air raid, I dunno. I did notice we were running some mesh concepts which was prolly Russ's influence.
Atleast you have an opinion based on actual facts and data, but just "gut" feelings and emotional responses like others
Happy new years!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Posted on 1/1/21 at 3:31 pm to lsu777
I completely disagree with you on this year’s offense. We had the same playbook and overall system this year. This was stated by multiple staff members at different times.
You can look a lot different based on which plays you are calling out of the same literal playbook, or what wrinkles get added. We saw E’s offense in 2018 and 2020 wasn’t it. He just emphasized different calls and sequenced plays and game planned very differently. Based on Callaway’s numbers at Samford, I think you would see an offense much loser to 2019 with much the same playbook with different wrinkles in 2020. I don’t see that as the same kind of stretch that you do.
As for your comment about 2019, we hired Joe Brady, a complete unknown in college football, for a relatively small salary to overhaul the offense. We didn’t go out and “hire the best” in the traditional sense. Talent is talent. If a guy is ready, then he’s ready. The pedigree isn’t everything.
Maybe Callaway isn’t ready, but his age and experience shouldn’t be auto disqualifiers.
You can look a lot different based on which plays you are calling out of the same literal playbook, or what wrinkles get added. We saw E’s offense in 2018 and 2020 wasn’t it. He just emphasized different calls and sequenced plays and game planned very differently. Based on Callaway’s numbers at Samford, I think you would see an offense much loser to 2019 with much the same playbook with different wrinkles in 2020. I don’t see that as the same kind of stretch that you do.
As for your comment about 2019, we hired Joe Brady, a complete unknown in college football, for a relatively small salary to overhaul the offense. We didn’t go out and “hire the best” in the traditional sense. Talent is talent. If a guy is ready, then he’s ready. The pedigree isn’t everything.
Maybe Callaway isn’t ready, but his age and experience shouldn’t be auto disqualifiers.
This post was edited on 1/1/21 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 1/1/21 at 3:45 pm to misey94
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the same playbook and overall system this year. This was stated by multiple staff members at different times.
You can look a lot different based on which plays you are calling out of the same literal playbook, or what wrinkles get added. We saw E’s offense in 2018 and 2020 wasn’t it. He just emphasized different calls and sequenced plays and game planned very differently.
No I do agree with you, I apparently misunderstood your other post, I thought you were saying you wanted to go back to 2019 offense, away from what E and Linehan did.
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Based on Callaway’s numbers at Samford, I think you would see an offense much loser to 2019 with much the same playbook with different wrinkles in 2020. I don’t see that as the same kind of stretch that you do.
Not saying he can't Learn or adapt but his lineage is Chris hatcher which is the Mike leech Air raid tree, same as Harrell. I think both would be fine and would not be strictly air raid.
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As for your comment about 2019, we hired Joe Brady, a complete unknown in college football, for a relatively small salary to overhaul the offense. We didn’t go out and “hire the best” in the traditional sense. Talent is talent. If a guy is ready, then he’s ready. The pedigree isn’t everything.
Your right, but stop trying to recreate Brady. And Brady had a damn 1st rounder at every skill position and 3 olineman that are starting as rookies.
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Maybe Callaway isn’t ready, but his age and experience shouldn’t be auto disqualifiers.
I agree
Posted on 1/1/21 at 4:01 pm to misey94
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You can look a lot different based on which plays you are calling out of the same literal playbook, or what wrinkles get added. We saw E’s offense in 2018 and 2020 wasn’t it
Biggest difference in the 2019 and 2020 offense was Burrow, CEH, Chase, Jefferson and the OL. How much better is Burrow than Myles, TJ and Max? Burrow was like a shooter in the zone, but for the whole season draining 3's. Jefferson was an elite route runner. He stepped into the NFL and didn't miss a beat. Chase was the best WR in CFB. Jenkins, Kirklin and McMath don't come close. Mid way through the season the announcers said Clyde led the league in getting contact behind the LOS (not a good distinction), but was still productive bc he had a low center of gravity, lateral quickness and the spin move. We have good RBs, but Clyde was more adept at getting yardage when the play is blown up. Burrow was the same with his innate ability to move in the pocket.
You lose all that talent and the play calling changes bc you have to manage your talent instead of play aggressive. Our only mobile QB that could at least extend plays like Burrow was our 3rd option, Max. None of our RBs have the pass catching ability that CEH did. None of our TEs can block violently like Moss.
With that being said flipping the returning production level from 2020, near bottom of CFB to 2021 which should be Top 40 at least will be a step in the right direction as long as we get a competent OC that can scheme a modern spread.
This post was edited on 1/1/21 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 1/1/21 at 4:15 pm to BayouCowboy
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You lose all that talent and the play calling changes bc you have to manage your talent instead of play aggressive. Our only mobile QB that could at least extend plays like Burrow was our 3rd option, Max. None of our RBs have the pass catching ability that CEH did. None of our TEs can block violently like Moss.
I agree with this to an extent, but some concepts were abandoned that we didn’t have to just based on talent. The bunch sets- almost gone. Screen game- mostly. gone and poorly executed when used. Occasional jet sweeps and other creative wrinkles in the run game- completely gone. The RPO was also missing until TJ and Max took the field.
And while TDP and Emery weren’t as adept at CEH in the pass game, that doesn’t necessarily mean you abandon the short passes to the backs as outlets in space. Emery could be dangerous in this regard if used properly.
I still think a big part of the differences in the 2020 offense at the end of the season was just E’s philosophy applied to a different playbook.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 4:41 pm to misey94
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And while TDP and Emery weren’t as adept at CEH in the pass game, that doesn’t necessarily mean you abandon the short passes to the backs as outlets in space. Emery could be dangerous in this regard if used properly.
I agree. We underutilized them in the pass game. I know neither was much of a pass catcher in HS and Emery HAD vision issues. Bradford looks to be a good receiver in space if he secures the catch first, but you need a back that can do it all like Clyde. Kiner and Goodwin may fit that mold better.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 4:54 pm to lsu777
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He wasn't even around for that system
LSU has run the same offense for the past two seasons, so he was around.
You can argue that the play calling and execution was not as good, but the playbook and terminology was the same.
Anyone who thinks Ensminger put in a different offense after Brady left is a fool.
So, in summary: Calloway knows the current offense. So what if he was an air raid guy?Coaches can learn new schemes.
Note: I am not advocating for Calloway. Just pointing out retarded posts.
This post was edited on 1/1/21 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 1/1/21 at 5:37 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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LSU has run the same offense for the past two seasons, so he was around.
You can argue that the play calling and execution was not as good, but the playbook and terminology was the same.
Anyone who thinks Ensminger put in a different offense after Brady left is a fool.
So, in summary: Calloway knows the current offense. So what if he was an air raid guy?Coaches can learn new schemes.
Note: I am not advocating for Calloway. Just pointing out retarded posts.
No I agree and misunderstood what the other poster was saying, I thought he was saying he wanted to go away from what E and Linehan were doing and go back to what Brady was doing.
I simply pointing out RC wasn't even here when Brady was here.
But yes I believe it was the same system, less effective players.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 5:51 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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So, in summary: Calloway knows the current offense. So what if he was an air raid guy?Coaches can learn new schemes.
I think the Air Raid is the closest system to what we ran in 2019. Brady and E’s offense was a hybrid that was a little more balanced and had some other spread concepts. There’s no reason to be dogmatic about what to run. And if Callaway was given the job, you can bet cold hard cash it would be for him to continue running the current system.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 5:56 pm to lsu777
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No I agree and misunderstood what the other poster was saying, I thought he was saying he wanted to go away from what E and Linehan were doing and go back to what Brady was doing. I simply pointing out RC wasn't even here when Brady was here.
You misunderstood me.
We ran the same overall offensive system and used the same base playbook in 2019 and 2020. The different look this season was mostly due to the guys calling the plays going in very different directions and de-emphasizing things we leaned heavily on in 2019. Obviously the talent level and experience level both had impacts, but I think E and Linehan’s deficiencies were the bigger problem.
Callahan may not have been here at the same time as Brady, but he’s still spent a year with the same system and with the same playbook. His offensive philosophy at Samford was closer to what Brady ran in 2019 than what E and Linehan ran this year. If Callahan were to be given the OC role, I absolutely believe it would be to run the same system closer to the way it was called in 2019, including how personnel is utilized.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 6:04 pm to lsu777
quote:I love that misey94 and others keep calling you out or correcting you. You keep going around in circles. Get it right, know it all, and stop getting so emotional!
He wasn't even around for that system. He had no cure He we gave planned and has run a different system his whole career. Your argument didn't make a ton of sense. He knows this years playbook.
This post was edited on 1/1/21 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 1/1/21 at 6:19 pm to misey94
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We ran the same overall offensive system and used the same base playbook in 2019 and 2020. The different look this season was mostly due to the guys calling the plays going in very different directions and de-emphasizing things we leaned heavily on in 2019. Obviously the talent level and experience level both had impacts, but I think E and Linehan’s deficiencies were the bigger problem.
VERY WELL SAID! ...and even LSU777 can’t argue with you on this one!
Posted on 1/1/21 at 6:51 pm to LSU CrayCray
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love that misey94 and others keep calling you out or correcting you. You keep going around in circles. Get it right, know it all, and stop getting so emotional!
Wtf are you talking about. Misey94 said he wanted to get away from what Linehan was doing and back to last year. I was simply saying he wasn't even around for that. I misunderstood what he was saying and clearly apologized for misunderstanding.
Don't come in here being a bitch arse pussy cause you said you had a gut feeling and you felt like he was ready when you didn't even know what system he ran, how much he runs the ball etc.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 6:53 pm to LSU CrayCray
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VERY WELL SAID! ...and even LSU777 can’t argue with you on this one!
I never said we didn't. I have argued the same point 100 times over the course of the season.
Stop being a little bitch cause you got called out for being all in for Callaway cause you had a "gut" feeling.
Like a female.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 7:17 pm to lsu777
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I never said we didn't. I have argued the same point 100 times over the course of the season.
Stop being a little bitch cause you got called out for being all in for Callaway cause you had a "gut" feeling
Calm down, sweetie. Don’t get your panties in a wad. I had a “gut” feeling you were an emotional gal and going to be upset about going around in circle. Sorry! I shouldn’t have commented back. I truly apologize. Get some rest.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 7:29 pm to lsu777
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Don't come in here being a bitch arse pussy
Dang! I hope you don’t let your man talk to you this way bc I have a “gut” feeling you do— NOT cool!
This post was edited on 1/1/21 at 7:31 pm
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