recruiting in south Florida might get a little harder

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The same Miami we owned? Yeah I doubt it l. Miami is a train wreck

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So was LSU in the 90s. There is no reason Miami can't be a dominant program again. All it takes is the right coach and a staff that can keep a lot of that south Florida talent home. I hope it doesn't happen, of course, but dismissing Miami because they've been bad the last few years is short-sighted. As all the investment companies say, "past performance is not a reliable predictor of future returns."

Miami has wooed kids to death and gotten momentum and early commits over the past few years. Issue is they haven't been stable enough to close out the kids. All those kids down there are looking for is a reason to believe in the Canes again and they'll flock. Right coach that's able to not have questions about the staff arise yearly at the end of the cycle and the classes will be excellent. Haven't seen that in a while.

The biggest issue at Miami is the administration. Shalala is better for the school than she is the football program.

Miami has fallen way behind in the arms race to have top notch facilities. That will put them at a disadvantage when recruiting against the big boys.

What made butch so good was he could evaluate better than anyone. If he whiffed on a top kid he could find diamonds in 2nd or third tier recruits

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What made butch so good was he could evaluate better than anyone. If he whiffed on a top kid he could find diamonds in 2nd or third tier recruits

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He did an amazing job finding those guys while they were on probation.

Sigh....OK, I'll play your little game. Here's our record for each year from 89 to 99:
89 - 4-7
90 - 5-6
91 - 5-6
92 - 2-9
93 - 5-6
94 - 4-7
95 - 7-4-1
96 - 10-2
97 - 9-3
98 - 4-7
99 - 3-8
Total record for these eleven years was 58-65-1. Yes, there were a couple of good years, but overall, I would posit that in the 90s (yes, I've included 89 here, as it was the year this dark period began) the Tigers were much worse than Miami has been in recent years. Which is the point I was trying to make: just because a team has a stretch of bad years, that doesn't mean they are doomed to be mediocre forever. But if it makes you feel better to argue that eight losing seasons in eleven years doesn't qualify as a "train wreck," go right ahead.

Valid points....Miami fans are notoriously fair weather, not just for the U but also for the Dolphins. (We won't even talk about the Marlins.) It's certain that the lack of a rabid fan base could be a drag on the program, but I don't think it's a killer. (The fans will show up if the team is winning, although the base is certainly smaller than the bigger public university programs.) Someone else mentioned the lack of up-to-date facilities, and that might a more important negative factor. Still....I think the right coach could overcome these, or at least, mitigate them to a certain extent. As someone else pointed out, lots of south Florida kids would like to go to Miami if the program gave them a reason to do so. It'll be interesting to see how things develop down there with the new coaching staff.

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Yep, beating Saban while at MSU, Clemson and Notre Dame In Bowl Games we’re train wrecks. Why don’t you dipshits quit qualifying whole decadescas train wrecks do some fricking research.

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You’re a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

7 losing seasons in 10 years is a train wreck. Winning a few games does not change that.

Oh, I don’t need to do the research. I lived through it. I was at LSU for every one of the six straight losing seasons we had from 1989-1994.

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I hope it doesn't happen, of course

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Wouldn't a strong Miami help LSU more than hurt it by siphoning off talent that otherwise would have gone to UF?