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re: Outside of the Jameis NC, what has Jimbo done?
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:31 am to sunnydaze
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:31 am to sunnydaze
I’m not saying Jimbo is my first choice, he is not, but a lot of false information in this thread.
Jimbo’s record minus the final year at FSU
78-17
4 conference championships
1 national championship
His final year at FSU he dealt with marital issues, a child being sick and his best QB out for the season. Sorry but he gets a pass.
Texas a&m
32-12
3-0 Bowls
3-1 vs LSU*
Top 10 recruiting class of the last 5 years and trending up.
Jimbo is a good coach. His offense Philosophy could use some updating if he were to come to LSU. But overall to write him off is just ignorant.
Jimbo’s record minus the final year at FSU
78-17
4 conference championships
1 national championship
His final year at FSU he dealt with marital issues, a child being sick and his best QB out for the season. Sorry but he gets a pass.
Texas a&m
32-12
3-0 Bowls
3-1 vs LSU*
Top 10 recruiting class of the last 5 years and trending up.
Jimbo is a good coach. His offense Philosophy could use some updating if he were to come to LSU. But overall to write him off is just ignorant.
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 8:33 am
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:31 am to Fat Bastard
Jimbo's 2012 recruiting class landed him Jameis Winston and Sean Maguire.
Winston was obviously a great talent and Maguire was serviceable.
After that, however, the wheels fell off the proverbial wagon.
**2013**
John Franklin III
Transferred to East Mississippi Community College, then to Auburn, then to Florida Atlantic where he played receiver. Made the NFL as a defensive back.
Appeared on Last Chance U
**2014**
JJ Cosentino
Left the team after being the third string quarterback for most of his four years with the program
**2015**
Deondre Francois
Kicked off team due to a domestic dispute then transferred to Hampton
DeAndre Johnson
Kicked off team after punching a woman at a bar, then transferred to East Mississippi Community College, then to Florida Atlantic, and finally to Texas Southern
Appeared on Last Chance U
**2016**
Malik Henry
Kicked off team due to rule violations, transferred to Independence Community College but was also kicked off that team. Walked on at Nevada but ultimately left the program.
Appeared on Last Chance U
**2017**
James Blackman
Transferred to Arkansas State
Bailey Hockman
Transferred to North Carolina State, then to Middle Tennessee State. Now retired.
**2018**
James Foster
Transferred to Charlotte
**2019**
Zach Calzada
Lost the starting job at Texas A&M to Haynes King but took over after King's injury. Has been very inconsistent, the jury is still out.
**2020**
Haynes King
Won the starting job at Texas A&M after Kellen Mond left for the NFL draft. Threw 2 touchdowns and 3 interceptions against Kent State before being injured against Colorado in his second start.
**2021**
Eli Stowers
Already moved to tight end.
Winston was obviously a great talent and Maguire was serviceable.
After that, however, the wheels fell off the proverbial wagon.
**2013**
John Franklin III
Transferred to East Mississippi Community College, then to Auburn, then to Florida Atlantic where he played receiver. Made the NFL as a defensive back.
Appeared on Last Chance U
**2014**
JJ Cosentino
Left the team after being the third string quarterback for most of his four years with the program
**2015**
Deondre Francois
Kicked off team due to a domestic dispute then transferred to Hampton
DeAndre Johnson
Kicked off team after punching a woman at a bar, then transferred to East Mississippi Community College, then to Florida Atlantic, and finally to Texas Southern
Appeared on Last Chance U
**2016**
Malik Henry
Kicked off team due to rule violations, transferred to Independence Community College but was also kicked off that team. Walked on at Nevada but ultimately left the program.
Appeared on Last Chance U
**2017**
James Blackman
Transferred to Arkansas State
Bailey Hockman
Transferred to North Carolina State, then to Middle Tennessee State. Now retired.
**2018**
James Foster
Transferred to Charlotte
**2019**
Zach Calzada
Lost the starting job at Texas A&M to Haynes King but took over after King's injury. Has been very inconsistent, the jury is still out.
**2020**
Haynes King
Won the starting job at Texas A&M after Kellen Mond left for the NFL draft. Threw 2 touchdowns and 3 interceptions against Kent State before being injured against Colorado in his second start.
**2021**
Eli Stowers
Already moved to tight end.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:33 am to bstew3006
quote:
Nothing
Jimbo is Mullen…Mullen is Jimbo
You keep pushing this shitty narrative and I'm not a huge jimbo fan.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:34 am to bstew3006
quote:
Jimbo is Mullen…Mullen is Jimbo
Jimbo has his issues, primarily on offense, but I don’t agree with this.
Jimbo is a great recruiter, Mullen is not. Jimbo makes good coaching hires, Mullen does not. Jimbo is likeable, Mullen is not.
While Jimbo’s offense is indeed outdated, and I would prefer we go a different route, he does everything else very well. Which is light years ahead of Mullen.
Jimbo is a good coach, fortunately even with the offensive concerns he does all other things really well which mostly covers for the outdated and overly-complicated offense.
I’m no Jimbo lover by any means, but comparing him to Mullen is not a good comparison. He’s a much much much better coach overall than Mullen.
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 8:39 am
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:34 am to IowaCityTigerFan
quote:
College football has changed a lot. His offensive style has not won a national championship since him. Every single Natty since 2013 was won by a coach who runs the spread. Jimbo is a good coach who runs a dated offense.
This is the bottom line. Jimbo is a very good coach. He rebuilt FSU (but definitely let it slide when he got on the outs with the administration) and has done a good job rebuilding A&M to be a real program. He’s not a BAD coach by any stretch or measure. He will be a consistent winner anywhere he goes.
However, if Jimbo won’t change his offense (he is notoriously stubborn and shows no sign of changing anything), that is now his ceiling. His scheme cannot keep pace with the way the top teams are playing the game today. Couple this with his insane contract and you have a problem. THIS is why hiring Jimbo is a risk. If you pay all that money and don’t eventually win titles, then it’s a total waste.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:35 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:
After that, however, the wheels fell off the proverbial wagon.
2012 - 2016
59-9
So how did the wheels fall off?
2017 was his last year, and you know what happened that year so don’t even count that.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:35 am to rossman
quote:
I love the “if you ignore the national title he won…” argument.
it shows what dumbasses we have here. like he sucked and achieved nothing at auburn or cincy or LSU as a assistant. or any other seasons at FSU. yeah just ignore his conference titles at FSU and playoffs year after natty at FSU.
shoulda made playoffs last year at TAMU
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 8:42 am
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:36 am to Fat Bastard
This might be his most redeeming quality. He's a good recruiter and his teams seem to play physical and hard, but the fact that he turned those quarterbacks into players the NFL thought were worthy of the first round is simply amazing. The knock though is that he hasn't done that at A&M thus far and might have lost some of that mojo.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:42 am to TigerMonkey7
In football, just as in business.. if you’re not growing, you’re dying.
Those who can peak for extended period of times adapt and change to the circumstances to create more growth.
Those who won’t change talk about what they’ve done. (2013)
Those that do change talk about what their doing.
If you’re not running a variation of the spread, you’re too stubborn to change and therefore your ceiling is much lower.
Saban ran the pro style when it was elite. He now runs the spread when it became elite. And at 70 years old, if something else starts to work better, he will switch to that.
I want a coach who grows with the game. Not expects the game to grow around him.
Pass on Jimbo. Not because he isn’t a good coach, but because he is inflexible and shrunk his own ceiling.
Those who can peak for extended period of times adapt and change to the circumstances to create more growth.
Those who won’t change talk about what they’ve done. (2013)
Those that do change talk about what their doing.
If you’re not running a variation of the spread, you’re too stubborn to change and therefore your ceiling is much lower.
Saban ran the pro style when it was elite. He now runs the spread when it became elite. And at 70 years old, if something else starts to work better, he will switch to that.
I want a coach who grows with the game. Not expects the game to grow around him.
Pass on Jimbo. Not because he isn’t a good coach, but because he is inflexible and shrunk his own ceiling.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:42 am to Fat Bastard
quote:
it shows what dumbasses we have here.
This goes without saying
I’m in no way knighting for Jimbo, but my God.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:42 am to LSUcajun77
quote:
2012 - 2016
59-9
So how did the wheels fall off?
2017 was his last year, and you know what happened that year so don’t even count that.
His quarterback recruiting
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:42 am to SidewalkTiger
What about his QB recruiting?
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:42 am to IowaCityTigerFan
quote:
Jimbo is a good coach who runs a dated offense.
I do wonder if with the right recruits LSU could win another championship with a pro style offense.
I personally would rather watch a RPO/spread, but LSU could probably win with either, given how much success our players have in the pros.
We would definitely have to recruit the line better.
And you know Jimbo would have some type of play action up his sleeve for 3rd & 4... instead of running into an 8 man box like Les.
Walker Howard would probably excel either way, but Nuss's speed would be going to waste.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:43 am to Randolphre
quote:
The knock though is that he hasn't done that at A&M thus far and might have lost some of that mojo.
Look what every high school that passes the ball is running today. EVERYONE runs the spread. There are very few pro-style offenses around in high school football anymore, making it difficult for a guy like Jimbo to find a QB who will fit what he wants to do.
Look back at Mond. For some insane reason, Jimbo refused to let him do what he was best at- be an athlete who can sometimes pass the ball if he was in a groove. I’ll never understand why he couldn’t look beyond making him a drop-back pro-style passer the majority of the time.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:46 am to sunnydaze
Leave FSU in turmoil
Be a disappointment at A&M
Get chucked by a player
Collect a lot of money for being meh
Be a disappointment at A&M
Get chucked by a player
Collect a lot of money for being meh
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:48 am to scottiemac
quote:hello, the guy who gave him that escape is now the guy at LSU.
If he leaves aTm after they gave him an escape (from FSU)
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:50 am to LSUcajun77
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:53 am to Randolphre
quote:
The knock though is that he hasn't done that at A&M thus far and might have lost some of that mojo.
it will be tough to do it at TAMu regardless who coach is. I said that from the get go when he took job there. that was the risk he took. My concerns is jimbo ran a pro style offense. pro style with SOME spread concepts does not equal full time spread like we had with brady. brady ran a pro style spread. there is a difference.
jimbo used to spread teams out at LSU AT TIMES to get run game going but ran a pro style offense.
LINK
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:54 am to Captain Crown
It’s happening
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:55 am to baytiger11
quote:
Walker Howard would probably excel either way, but Nuss's speed would be going to waste.
Howard is actually faster than Nuss. Walker isn’t a true pocket passer.
If you look to the pros, most teams are using a hybrid WCO with the spread. Everybody is borrowing from Shanahan. Very, very few coaches use a pro style anymore.
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