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re: Just to go on record about Ensminger before anything is announced......
Posted on 1/8/18 at 10:18 am to SportTiger1
Posted on 1/8/18 at 10:18 am to SportTiger1
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TBH, I dont think Ensminger would be horrible, but i also dont think he would be very good.
Just think to yourself, what chance does SE have of out-gameplanning Saban's defense? You know the answer to that.
The WHOLE point of firing Les was to elevate ourselves to be able to beat Bama every now and then. Steve is a direct contradiction to that goal, which is what makes it such a bad hire.
This move essentially violates both pillars O ran his campaign on....Coordinators and cruiting.
1. in no way is ensminger among the best coordinators in the country, but we've covered that.
2. The hires/promotions of Steve, Sullivan, and McMahon severely hurts you on the recruiting front
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 10:20 am to Green Chili Tiger
Of course it's not the end of the world. The end of the world is the end of the world.
But it's not the Best Offensive Coordinator out there either is it?
ETA: It's only been one year. Do people have such short memories that we were sold the "best coordinator" line just one year ago?
But it's not the Best Offensive Coordinator out there either is it?
ETA: It's only been one year. Do people have such short memories that we were sold the "best coordinator" line just one year ago?
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 10:22 am
Posted on 1/8/18 at 10:21 am to Green Chili Tiger
Knowing what happened with respect to the offense with each progressive week as we got to Troy, and then the game itself, it’s difficult to look at statistical comparisons of Canada this year versus anyone before him in order to make observations. He wasn’t running his system and in some cases-and I really DGAF about the Tards or Positigers here as far as what they think or heard-not calling the plays.
From the surface I’ve scratched, both the motions and the sweeps were not only actual methods of attacking the defense, they were counters to themselves and constraints that when called in the proper sequencing were obviously effective before he got here. At times here also.
When other spoons go into that particular roux, it will not yield particularly good results.
Which is why I see this year as a bit of an anomaly statistically. It’s difficult to draw relevance from it in comparison to other years.
Especially not the post Cameron, SE-led and called 2016 Offense. Simply because that really wasn’t Steve’s either. It was him running some version of Les’ and Cam’s BS. In the same way I dislike the 2017/Canada comparisons to other years, I dislike the 2016 comparisons to other years. For similar and yet different reasons.
Not saying you can’t, won’t or that it hasn’t happened already. Just that the context behind those statistics is difficult to use to draw baseline comparisons to others, or even each other in specific.
Now 2016 can be compared pre and post Cam very well. I will say that.
But I digress. We simply have no clue and little faith that we have more than that lack of a clue as to what we will do short term, how we will perform long term and what the Recruiting world will react with.
I do know that Steve is highly unsought after in the coaching ranks. Whether because he didnt want to do it or others didn’t want him to do it, that’s telling either way.
Just a terrible look...all the way around.
From the surface I’ve scratched, both the motions and the sweeps were not only actual methods of attacking the defense, they were counters to themselves and constraints that when called in the proper sequencing were obviously effective before he got here. At times here also.
When other spoons go into that particular roux, it will not yield particularly good results.
Which is why I see this year as a bit of an anomaly statistically. It’s difficult to draw relevance from it in comparison to other years.
Especially not the post Cameron, SE-led and called 2016 Offense. Simply because that really wasn’t Steve’s either. It was him running some version of Les’ and Cam’s BS. In the same way I dislike the 2017/Canada comparisons to other years, I dislike the 2016 comparisons to other years. For similar and yet different reasons.
Not saying you can’t, won’t or that it hasn’t happened already. Just that the context behind those statistics is difficult to use to draw baseline comparisons to others, or even each other in specific.
Now 2016 can be compared pre and post Cam very well. I will say that.
But I digress. We simply have no clue and little faith that we have more than that lack of a clue as to what we will do short term, how we will perform long term and what the Recruiting world will react with.
I do know that Steve is highly unsought after in the coaching ranks. Whether because he didnt want to do it or others didn’t want him to do it, that’s telling either way.
Just a terrible look...all the way around.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 10:23 am
Posted on 1/8/18 at 10:23 am to KingMo
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Does anyone know what his system is? This is a serious question and don't say the USC offense.
No clue.
But I know he wasn't a very good OC when he had that opportunity.
And Sullivan was a fricking terrible OC.
Sounds like a winning combo!
Posted on 1/8/18 at 10:24 am to Green Chili Tiger
He's the "safe" hire. 7-9 wins a year. But if you're happy with that, you've got to be scratching your head at why we spent 10 million bucks to buy out Miles just to end up where we started.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 10:27 am to Green Chili Tiger
Zero points against the two good teams, when you have a generational talent like Fournette in the backfield. I'm not real high on SE.
My problem with SE, is not SE himself, he is just not the best available coordinator that Coach O promised.
My problem with SE, is not SE himself, he is just not the best available coordinator that Coach O promised.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 10:29 am to GFunk
Cheeri-O logic...
Canada has a great track record for the most part....one outlier season here where he clearly was not running his system, he sucks. One of the best offensive coaches in football singled him out as an elite playcaller but not good enough for O to trust I suppose.
Ensminger has a lousy record as OC, save last year running someone else's system just calling plays in a more competent manner and he's the answer to our offensive woes.
Canada has a great track record for the most part....one outlier season here where he clearly was not running his system, he sucks. One of the best offensive coaches in football singled him out as an elite playcaller but not good enough for O to trust I suppose.
Ensminger has a lousy record as OC, save last year running someone else's system just calling plays in a more competent manner and he's the answer to our offensive woes.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 10:31 am
Posted on 1/8/18 at 10:30 am to BilJ
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he hasn't had any hand at all in coaching them?
Probably not much.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 10:32 am to 1999
He will not survive 2018 if he hires SE. Book it!
Posted on 1/8/18 at 10:45 am to Green Chili Tiger
0 vs bama
Dog shite vs UF
This should end King Alleva and O
Dog shite vs UF
This should end King Alleva and O
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:10 am to LSUFAN2
he'll get year 3 if he's over 500.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:21 am to ScoopAndScore
SE comes from the Cholly Mac era he can’t scheme against the likes of Saban or Pruitt
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:31 am to Green Chili Tiger
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I've had some fun on this board and the rant with the whole SE as OC possibility, but I will say that Ensminger is not the end of the world from an Xs and Os standpoint.
It's not. I don't think Steve is the right choice for QB coach, though. If we're, indeed, hiring Sullivan as "Co-OC" - than I have to wonder if we'll even get a QB coach (other than SE).
There will be a vacancy at TE coach and - if the crazy (genius, in fact) idea of hiring Zook to coach safeties AND coordinate ST that someone had in another thread, doesn't work out, that can open up the possibility of bringing in a STC/TE coach and let Aranda have a dedicated S coach - but then either or both of the OCs will have to be the QB coach. (ETA: Now that I read that - this may be wrong, are we still getting the extra coaching slot?)
LSU needs a dedicated QB coach like it is nobody's business. Why? We've left wins and championships on the table for a decade because we cannot put better than "meh" under center (Mett excluded) since Matt Flynn. I'm not saying a dedicated QB coach is a miracle worker - I'm saying that even incremental improvement in QB play is worth an average of more than 1 win per season since 2007. Period.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 11:33 am
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:27 pm to BilJ
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BilJ
quote:
Cheeri-O logic...
Canada has a great track record for the most part....one outlier season here where he clearly was not running his system, he sucks. One of the best offensive coaches in football singled him out as an elite playcaller but not good enough for O to trust I suppose.
Ensminger has a lousy record as OC, save last year running someone else's system just calling plays in a more competent manner and he's the answer to our offensive woes.
Are you so deep inside the lava flow of your own personal melt that you can’t see that I’m trying to support Canada and say that comparisons that show he may not have done as well in certain statistical criteria versus previous season’s versions of the LSU Offense are off base due to the interference he dealt with?
Geezus you’re a dumbass...
I’m agreeing with you and you are literally so all up in your feels that’s you can’t see it.
#TardGonnaTard
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:31 pm to BilJ
Didn’t Les cite Steve’s QB work when he was hired back in 09 or whenever? He may or may not have had some kind of a hand in the behind the scenes QB development (or lack thereof. during that time.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:31 pm to GFunk
I think he was agreeing with you sir.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:41 pm to MOT
Yeah when someone uses Cheeri-O Logic in a response to me I’ll admit I process it as a negative. I’m more of a Frosted Mini-Wheats kinda guy.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:09 pm to League Champs
So he's supposed to not put the correct numbers down because of who we played, lol..c'mon man.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 2:44 pm to Green Chili Tiger
To me, it’s not that Ensminger is a horrible hire. We’ll make it. My complaint is that there has been no real effort to bring in the best OC in the game. LSU doesn’t deserve mediocre or “not horrible”. We need excellence. And that’s not Ensminger. So my outrage is not really that Ensminger is a bad OC... but that there was simply not a search for a better one.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 2:48 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I don't think Ensminger wants to OC job. I think O is pushing the job on him because O is comfortable with him and can freely meddle as he wishes.
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