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Posted on 12/30/08 at 9:15 am to JustSmokin
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Posted on 12/30/08 at 9:19 am to Suntiger
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I don't want the #4 defense if it means only winning 5 games.
Posted on 12/30/08 at 9:33 am to JustSmokin
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I don't want the #4 defense if it means only winning 5 games.
Everyone keeps saying Tenn had the #4 defense last year and #7 defense in 2005. The problem is that the '05 and '08 teams only won 5 games each. That was my point.
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You blame him for the offensive problems at UT?
I never said that, however he had the #70 defense last year with Cutcliff running the O and Eric Ainge throwing for 3,522 passing yards and 31 touchdowns with 10 interceptions and Arian Foster rushing for 1193 yards.
I do place a little blame for letting Cal score 45, Florida to score 59, Bama scoring 41, Arkansas State scoring 27 and Kentuky scoring 50 (granted that was overtime) last year.
Posted on 12/30/08 at 9:34 am to Suntiger
Am I overly excited? Not really
What DC out there available gets you excited?
Please give us your short list
What DC out there available gets you excited?
Please give us your short list
Posted on 12/30/08 at 9:35 am to Suntiger
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Everyone keeps saying Tenn had the #4 defense last year and #7 defense in 2005. The problem is that the '05 and '08 teams only won 5 games each. That was my point.
It's an awful point. Did we hire Fulmer, and Tennessee's OC as well?
Posted on 12/30/08 at 9:47 am to ApexTiger
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What DC out there available gets you excited?
Please give us your short list
This is acknowledging that my opinion is not worth a crap, but answering your question:
I like assistants with ambition who are looking to excel, not maintain a job. I liked Walker (young, firey guy with attacking defense and NFL experience looking to move forward), Vic Koenning (another young firey guy who has excelled at multiple programs) and George Walker (NFL experience and the guys he worked with/for are amazing). I liked Greg Robinson to a lesser extent but he does have a ton of NFL experience as well as head coaching experience(although it wasn't successful head coaching experience).
This is opposed to Chavis who has no NFL experience, plays soft coverage a lot, has been in one place for a very long time and all the SEC coaches have seen his tricks and style of D.
This of course is IMHO & FWIW which isn't much.
Again, Chavis is better than what we had, but I'm just not excited over the hire is all.
Posted on 12/30/08 at 9:48 am to Suntiger
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Everyone keeps saying Tenn had the #4 defense last year and #7 defense in 2005. The problem is that the '05 and '08 teams only won 5 games each. That was my point.
you can keep repeating your point but thats not going to help it make sense
Posted on 12/30/08 at 10:23 am to Suntiger
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I like assistants with ambition who are looking to excel, not maintain a job. I liked Walker (young, firey guy with attacking defense and NFL experience looking to move forward), Vic Koenning (another young firey guy who has excelled at multiple programs) and George Walker (NFL experience and the guys he worked with/for are amazing). I liked Greg Robinson to a lesser extent but he does have a ton of NFL experience as well as head coaching experience(although it wasn't successful head coaching experience).
SunTiger, you rattled off two candidates that took other jobs..
I said "available" DC candidates
So you can be critical of this hire, you have that right, but that ambition you speak of is why Vic and Walker accepted other gigs
These are the facts
I liked those hires are well
They were considered, but in the end, they took other jobs for future/personal/goals/ambitions reasons... Nothing against Miles or LSU..
Posted on 12/30/08 at 10:55 am to Suntiger
If you watched many of the big point games from the last few years at Tennessee, you'd notice that their lack of depth on defense, special teams and offense were a major part of the problem. The defensive coaching was NOT the problem. I have a lot of well informed and knowledgeable family in the Knoxville area that are unfortunately UT fans, and they ALL wanted to see Chavis retained... 
Posted on 12/30/08 at 11:19 am to Suntiger
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Because everyone keeps saying he had the #4 defense last year. I don't want the #4 defense if it means only winning 5 games.
are you being serious?
what about the offense?
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And you know what is interesting is the fact that Tenn hasn't won the SEC in any of the years listed (since 1998). And don't say he didn't have talent, in the years listed he had Deon Grant, Shaun Ellis, Parys Haralson, Jason Allen, Julian Battle, Albert Haynesworth, John Henderson, Jesse Mahelona, Jerod Mayo, Jonathan Wade and Gibril Wilson.
And he had good defenses. That what he did, coach the defense.
Not the offense, or special teams. He wasn't the head coach. He didnt make the important calls during a game.
He coached THE DEFENSE and their DEFENSE was good.
You have a horrible, horrible point going here. Makes ZERO sense.
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I'm saying the SEC is diffrent now than it was then and his defenses havent faired too well against Meyer or Saban coached teams.
our top ranked defense hasnt faired well against Meyer. What's your point? FL has tore through everyone.
And sure the offenses are changing...DC's have to start adjusting.
Is there a "new age" DC out there that has the blueprint to stop these high powered offenses?
If there is, you may want to alert college football.
I'd rather have a veteran coach back there coming up with schemes to defend this than some green young DC that didnt even have great D's. Chavis spends more time in the film room than at home, so I think he will be able to keep with the times.
Posted on 12/30/08 at 11:24 am to Suntiger
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I never said that, however he had the #70 defense last year with Cutcliff running the O and Eric Ainge throwing for 3,522 passing yards and 31 touchdowns with 10 interceptions and Arian Foster rushing for 1193 yards.
they broke in a shite load of new players last year.
Can you not see the improvement from 70th in the nation to #4 this year?
Posted on 12/30/08 at 12:07 pm to Lester Earl
Chavis has a much better resume than almost ANY NCAA defense coordinator in the country.
He is an excellent hire. I would seriously question anyone who couldn't at least understand and appreciate the hire, even if there personal choice didn't get the job.
This isn't just a "safe" hire, this is a great hire with about as little risk as you can have in a situation like this.
He is an excellent hire. I would seriously question anyone who couldn't at least understand and appreciate the hire, even if there personal choice didn't get the job.
This isn't just a "safe" hire, this is a great hire with about as little risk as you can have in a situation like this.
Posted on 12/30/08 at 12:53 pm to Suntiger
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I liked Walker (young, firey guy with attacking defense and NFL experience looking to move forward)
Walker is 49 years old.
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Vic Koenning (another young firey guy who has excelled at multiple programs)
Vic runs a very similar defense to Chavis. Fans at Clemson also think he plays way too soft on 3rd and long (both UT and Clemson fans are wrong, as are all fans who bitch btw).
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George Walker (NFL experience and the guys he worked with/for are amazing).
Never been a college DC, it's a risk...besides, his name is George Edwards.
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Greg Robinson
Wow...he is so far over the hill it's not funny. How can you be a defensive coach at a D1 school and rank in triple digits multiple years (his last two, not his first years...his kids, his philosopy)?
Now on to some real opinions about Chavis:
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“He loves to blitz and play man-to-man defense,” said former Tennessee linebacker Eric Westmoreland, who was on the Volunteers’ 1998 national championship team and on the 2000 team that set the school record with 50 quarterback sacks.
“Coach Chavis never lets an offense dictate how the game’s going to be played to his defense,” Westmoreland said Monday. “If he has cornerbacks who can play man, he’s going to play man and blitz and pressure the quarterback from different places. That’s his trademark. He'll bring cornerbacks, safeties, linebackers. We all got sacks.”
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“His No. 1 deal is if you’re going to try to sit back there and throw 25 or 30 times a game, your quarterback is going to get hit early and often,” former Tennessee quarterback Casey Clausen said Monday. “He’ll bring a whole lot of emotion and physical style to practice and into the games. He loves to get after the quarterback. I think he would be a great fit at LSU.”
Posted on 12/30/08 at 1:26 pm to philter
is there an article those quotes are from?
Posted on 12/30/08 at 1:36 pm to philter
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our top ranked defense hasnt faired well against Meyer. What's your point? FL has tore through everyone.
And sure the offenses are changing...DC's have to start adjusting.
Where's the adjustment? Are you saying we should just keep trodding out the same ole defense every year?
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I would seriously question anyone who couldn't at least understand and appreciate the hire
I appreciate it greatly. Better than what we had. Miles took a gamble last time and it didn't work out. He goes in the opposite direction and hires someone who's been in the SEC for a long time. It's the safest hire he can make.
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George Walker (NFL experience and the guys he worked with/for are amazing).
Never been a college DC, it's a risk...besides, his name is George Edwards.
I don't care what his name is as long as he can coach. Besides he was an NFL DC, so that's good enough for me.
Posted on 12/30/08 at 1:37 pm to Suntiger
Again, I don't dislike the hire. I'm just not all that thrilled about it either. These are my pro's & con's on Chavis and why I'm not disappointed or overly excited. I'd like to know everyone elses opinions on it.
Pros:
Long time SEC coordinator,
Previously built strong defenses,
Helped Tenn to a mNC,
Knows some of the SEC coaches schemes
Cons:
Soft coverage (Mustand/Third and Chavis)
Has had some bad defenses as of late
No NFL experience
The SEC coaches know his schemes
No luck against Meyer and Saban so far
Unkowns:
How he will do outside of Tenn?
Recruiting?
Pros:
Long time SEC coordinator,
Previously built strong defenses,
Helped Tenn to a mNC,
Knows some of the SEC coaches schemes
Cons:
Soft coverage (Mustand/Third and Chavis)
Has had some bad defenses as of late
No NFL experience
The SEC coaches know his schemes
No luck against Meyer and Saban so far
Unkowns:
How he will do outside of Tenn?
Recruiting?
Posted on 12/30/08 at 1:40 pm to Maximus
uh oh. the bully's back.
Posted on 12/30/08 at 1:44 pm to TheLittleAristotle
link me that article or i'll give you a swirlie
Posted on 12/30/08 at 1:47 pm to TheLittleAristotle
I've never requested one of these before, do i go to the help board?
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