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Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:22 pm to dante
completely disagree with your assessment. Both of these hires are very solid.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:26 pm to Football_Freak
quote:Lets leave Mcelwain out of the discussion for now.......but convince me why Riley is a good hire. He is basically a .500 coach in the Pac-12.
completely disagree with your assessment. Both of these hires are very solid.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:26 pm to lsupride87
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McElwain is not head scratching. That is a good/great hire. Riley is LOL though
Don't understand this.
McElwain is not a great hire, for sure. He's still relatively unproven, and it seems like Florida is just reaching for another Saban guy. I think he could do a good job at Florida, but I don't think he'll for sure do great things.
Mike Riley is a solid, proven coach. I think he's exactly what Nebraska needed.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:26 pm to lsupride87
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:36 pm to Trublue
Peterson - not going to happen, has to prove himself at Washington and has not done it yet. Boise =/= Washington
Cutcliffe - too old, you'd be looking for a new coach in about 5-7 years. Good with QB's though
Freeze - Interesting thought, but Archie and Sean will up the ante.
J.L. Mora - solid coaching job at UCLA and can probably get him, would be his to turn down assuming Miles takes Michigan, which would be stupid on Michigan's part...actually think Mora at Michigan would be the smart move for all involved provided Harbaugh turns down Michigan.
No one though talks about this scenario much: Miles goes to Michigan, Harbaugh makes good on his threat to leave San Fran, LSU has 5 million / year in the pot... would Harbaugh turn down?
Cutcliffe - too old, you'd be looking for a new coach in about 5-7 years. Good with QB's though
Freeze - Interesting thought, but Archie and Sean will up the ante.
J.L. Mora - solid coaching job at UCLA and can probably get him, would be his to turn down assuming Miles takes Michigan, which would be stupid on Michigan's part...actually think Mora at Michigan would be the smart move for all involved provided Harbaugh turns down Michigan.
No one though talks about this scenario much: Miles goes to Michigan, Harbaugh makes good on his threat to leave San Fran, LSU has 5 million / year in the pot... would Harbaugh turn down?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:40 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Realistically, isn't 5-7 years the norm for coaches at 1 school?
Cutcliffe - too old, you'd be looking for a new coach in about 5-7 years. Good with QB's though
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:41 pm to KiwiHead
DP 
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:48 pm to dante
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Realistically, isn't 5-7 years the norm for coaches at 1 school?
That's a good point, but given his age and health issues (heart attack 6 years ago) I'm thinking that you'd want someone in his prime around 45-50 years old and in good shape to deal with the rigors of SEC recruiting, etc. Cutcliffe has a sweet position at Duke.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:51 pm to dante
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but I thought Florida would shoot a little higher than him
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Have any 2 major programs hired such head scratching decisions in such a short period of time.
For all those thinking they can replace Miles with a no-brainer coaching hire, take note. The odds say that LSU would likely have to go the coordinator route to replace Miles. Very risky.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:51 pm to dante
Michigan will hit a major name hire....you can book it
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:57 pm to ehidal1
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McElwain is a great hire.
Umm. I could buy decent hire. Why is he a great hire? It's not merely a matter of comparing him to his immediate predescessor. Florida has had two of the best coaches ever over the last 20 years or so (Spurrier and Urban). McElwain is an underwhelming hire.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:01 pm to Navytiger74
What McElwain brings to the table is very good knowledge of the Alabama defense because Kirby Smart is not leaving.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:02 pm to KiwiHead
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What McElwain brings to the table is very good knowledge of the Alabama defense because Kirby Smart is not leaving.
And they'll still lose.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:37 pm to KiwiHead
quote:That will make a difference when Florida plays Bama once every 6 years.
What McElwain brings to the table is very good knowledge of the Alabama defense because Kirby Smart is not leaving.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 3:04 pm to Navytiger74
Well, it's like drafting a player. There is always a risk. McElwain is a higher risk/reward than say a Les Miles or Bob Stoops. But if you want to find the next great coach, you will have to take a risk. Not to mention, it's all about fit. McElwain has a great HC'ing resume, albeit very short. He has also been a quality coordinator.
Would you have considered Muschamp a great hire? Most people did. He was similar to McElwain, with even less experience.
Would you have considered Muschamp a great hire? Most people did. He was similar to McElwain, with even less experience.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 3:50 pm to dante
So who exactly was the splashy hire we could have made a missed? I'm always curious when someone calls a hire "underwhelming." I would guess for something to be underwhelming, there must have been some serious expectation of something greater, coaches who I find generally fall into two categories:
A. Other coaches without anymore pedigree but are just favored more by the "underwhelmed party."
B. Blowhards who think their school is so sexy and rich that they just pull up a logoed Brinks truck to any coach they desire's house, shower him in riches, and take him back to campus.
Sometimes, those two categories combine, and you get someone like Freeze who has done OK the last two seasons at mid-sized programs that often are rarely watched by the very people who salivate over them. Something like "Ole Miss sucks! It is a black hole! Did you see what he did there? Imagine if he were somewhere else. Just back up the truck! We can outpay Ole Miss!"
Home run hires, at least as home run as it gets, would have been someone like Jim Harbaugh, and that guy was NEVER coming to Florida. If he goes back to college at all this year it will only be because his personal connection to Michigan. Chip Kelly wasn't coming. No one like that was coming. All you have after that is conjecture as I don't think a Rich Rod, Freeze, or Gundy would have undoubtedly done better than McElwain. We'll see. I personally am more excited about what this guy can do than a Rich Rod or Gundy, guys whose names have been around now for years and have had some success but nothing really over the top.
A. Other coaches without anymore pedigree but are just favored more by the "underwhelmed party."
B. Blowhards who think their school is so sexy and rich that they just pull up a logoed Brinks truck to any coach they desire's house, shower him in riches, and take him back to campus.
Sometimes, those two categories combine, and you get someone like Freeze who has done OK the last two seasons at mid-sized programs that often are rarely watched by the very people who salivate over them. Something like "Ole Miss sucks! It is a black hole! Did you see what he did there? Imagine if he were somewhere else. Just back up the truck! We can outpay Ole Miss!"
Home run hires, at least as home run as it gets, would have been someone like Jim Harbaugh, and that guy was NEVER coming to Florida. If he goes back to college at all this year it will only be because his personal connection to Michigan. Chip Kelly wasn't coming. No one like that was coming. All you have after that is conjecture as I don't think a Rich Rod, Freeze, or Gundy would have undoubtedly done better than McElwain. We'll see. I personally am more excited about what this guy can do than a Rich Rod or Gundy, guys whose names have been around now for years and have had some success but nothing really over the top.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:28 pm to ehidal1
Mcelwain a higher reward hire than Miles and Stoops?!!!
That's fricking retarded. Period.
That's fricking retarded. Period.
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