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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:16 pm to
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:16 pm to
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"O wants a coordinator that has an innovative scheme but will take input on tempo and protections based on the opponent's defense" "Aranda would be part of that input process. That's the reason Aranda was part of the meeting with O and Canada after Troy."


The more Aranda is involved, the better.

Plus, this gives him some experience with offense and overall decision making, should he ever be in consideration to be our full-time head coach.

I like the idea of an offensive and defensive coordinator somewhat working together in an effort to scheme in the best interest of the overall team.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:23 pm to
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I like the idea of an offensive and defensive coordinator somewhat working together in an effort to scheme in the best interest of the overall team


Sure, but if your contribution is to cut out the motion and to play it straight, it's pretty useless.

This thread has turned into some proof that Canada wouldn't listen to Aranda, which is dumb since the OP never said or implied that.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:25 pm to
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Canada wouldn't listen to Aranda, which is dumb since the OP never said or implied that.


I'm not sure your reading correctly. Aranda was definitely part of the equation though and it's no secret there was a rift between Aranda and Canada. I'm pretty damn sure keeping both wasn't as option
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:25 pm to
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Sure, but if your contribution is to cut out the motion and to play it straight, it's pretty useless.

I don't think anyone implied that was Aranda's contribution, though I haven't read the entire thread.

Just that Aranda's input would be provided.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 5:27 pm
Posted by MountainTiger
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:25 pm to
quote:

I like the idea of an offensive and defensive coordinator somewhat working together in an effort to scheme in the best interest of the overall team.

I'd prefer it if the HC had a meeting with the coordinators and said ok here's what we need to do on offense and here's what we need to do on defense. Then the the OC and DC run off to their bat caves to do their sorcery. But I'm not sure Orgeron's up to that.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:29 pm to
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I'd prefer it if the HC had a meeting with the coordinators and said ok here's what we need to do on offense and here's what we need to do on defense. Then the the OC and DC run off to their bat caves to do their sorcery. But I'm not sure Orgeron's up to that.


Im pretty sure Aranda defense wouldn't be as successful with a hurry up offense on the other side of the squad. I believe both Aranda and Orgeron prefer more ball control

We saw elements of a hurry up in the first couple of games and a lot of penalties
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:31 pm to
Has Aranda ever coached in a place that ran a lot of hurry up?

It might just be a complete unknown to him.
Posted by TigersFan64
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:31 pm to
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The reasoning behind the shifts is to see how the defense will react and try to find the mismatch based off of that information gained. The exact same concept that Dave Aranda tries to do with his packages, creating a mismatch. The difference is Canada's offense is reactionary while Aranda's defense forces the mismatches. They're not just doing it for the hell of it.


This^^^^^^^^
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:32 pm to
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Has Aranda ever coached in a place that ran a lot of hurry up?


Wisconsin was ball control, run it downhill
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:34 pm to
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Wisconsin was ball control, run it downhill

Meant before that. In Utah or wherever he was
Posted by yallallcrazy
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:35 pm to
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Green Chili Tiger


All that you said in your OP sounds a hell of a lot more realistic and likely than all the crap that gets read into every little thing around here.

Posted by slackster
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:35 pm to
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I'm not sure your reading correctly. Aranda was definitely part of the equation though and it's no secret there was a rift between Aranda and Canada. I'm pretty damn sure keeping both wasn't as option


I'm reading just fine. Orgeron wanted to play it straight vs Troy. Canada didn't. We played it Orgeron's way and lost. After that, they had a come to Jesus, and Orgeron backed off.

Oh, and Aranda put in a good word for Canada to get a he job originally. What am I missing?

When did this beef between Canada and Aranda suddenly start?
Posted by tjohn deaux
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:36 pm to
This all makes sense, which makes me prone to believe it. It absolutely makes sense for Aranda to have input in the scheme. I can see Canada getting upset at all the “input” feeling he was being disrespected. I knew there had to be a lack of “team” mentality at the core of the issue.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:37 pm to
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don't think anyone implied that was Aranda's contribution, though I haven't read the entire thread.

Just that Aranda's input would be provided


Yeah, I trust Aranda's input far more than Orgeron's. I'm talking about Orgeron's useless input that cost us the Troy game.

ETA - I may be confused here. Some people are acting like Canada and Aranda wouldn't work together based on the OP. It sounds like you're suggesting Aranda should be involved with the new OC, not that he and Canada had some kind of problem.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 5:39 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:39 pm to
No, but the had Chuck Keaton as QB

They lost to BYU 6-3 that year
Posted by 7nette
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:39 pm to
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And the offense still sucked, what's your point?


How many OC's do you think would've done better with our personnel this year and one offseason to implement it?
Posted by Laman1978
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:39 pm to
I tried to tell everyone about Gilbert, but noooooooo! I'm apparently spreading false information.
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:41 pm to
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This all makes sense, which makes me prone to believe it.


Why?
Posted by 7nette
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:41 pm to
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how many more times are you football ignorant morons gonna keep stating this? You realize how stupid this makes you look? you should be ashamed of yourself clown. please get a football education. study film. go to coaches clinics.


It's almost like they think the motions are to tire out the defense before the play starts.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:42 pm to
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I'm talking about Orgeron's useless input that cost us the Troy game.


LSU had over 400 yards of offense, but had 4 turnovers. Turnovers and allowing their running back to gain 190 yards cost the game.

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