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How to encourage hiring of black coaches-BCA edition
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:54 pm
Does publically running down schools that actually interview black coaches and also schools that hire but years later fire black coaches encourage schools to hire more black coaches? I'm really not seeing it.
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Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:58 pm to Maximus
I'd like to hear from some of the black coaches what they think the issues are and how they feel those issues could be resolved.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:59 pm to Maximus
Agreed.
In basketball, it has become normal for black coaches to get hired.
I don't remember hearing one national publication praise or say anything regarding LSU hiring a black bball coach. They just talked about how we got a good coach.
You'd also think that the black coaches would appreciate getting recognition for something they've accomplished, not just being talked about because their mom and dad happened to be black.
In basketball, it has become normal for black coaches to get hired.
I don't remember hearing one national publication praise or say anything regarding LSU hiring a black bball coach. They just talked about how we got a good coach.
You'd also think that the black coaches would appreciate getting recognition for something they've accomplished, not just being talked about because their mom and dad happened to be black.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:00 pm to Maximus
That is exactly the problem. The people and processes that encourage minority hires and interviews are actually hurting the potential black candidates.
If a school interviews a guy, but doesn't hire him, they get trashed. If they hire a black coach, but fire him later, they get trashed. Who wants to deall with all of that bullshite? They instead try to avoid black candidates altogether, which keeps them from getting opportunities, even if they deserve tham.
If a school interviews a guy, but doesn't hire him, they get trashed. If they hire a black coach, but fire him later, they get trashed. Who wants to deall with all of that bullshite? They instead try to avoid black candidates altogether, which keeps them from getting opportunities, even if they deserve tham.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:01 pm to hashtag
It's because football is the "in between" sport in regards to hiring black coaches. Black coaches are the norm in the NBA and college basketball because of the ratio of black to white players. White managers or Hispanic managers are the norm in MLB because of the ratio of White/Hispanic to black players.
Football is a mix between the two in the NFL and NCAA. You have as many white players as there are black players.
Just a thought.
Football is a mix between the two in the NFL and NCAA. You have as many white players as there are black players.
Just a thought.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:02 pm to Maximus
The best way to handle this is to get more minorities into entry level coaching positions. I haven't seen a stat, but what is the ratio of black/white coordinators at the D-IA level? What about position coaches? You have to create a large/quality pool of applicants first.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:02 pm to hashtag
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You'd also think that the black coaches would appreciate getting recognition for something they've accomplished, not just being talked about because their mom and dad happened to be black.
The black coaches who try to avoid bringing race into the discussion (Croom) get pasted with all of the racial BS even if they try to stay above the fray.
When he was fired, the crawl at the bottom of the TV screen mentioned that he was black before they mentioned that he had been fired.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I'd like to see a list that a search firm produces with a ratio of viable white coaches to viable black coaches. Give us that ratio without even removing those that are not qualified and you will see why the numbers are so skewed.
There are way more white coaches (head and assistant) than black coaches.
It's a shame that anyone is trying to push black head coaches down any sports throats. This country elected a black person to the highest office in all the land. Yet, racism keeps the black man down??? Give me a break.
There are way more white coaches (head and assistant) than black coaches.
It's a shame that anyone is trying to push black head coaches down any sports throats. This country elected a black person to the highest office in all the land. Yet, racism keeps the black man down??? Give me a break.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:07 pm to hashtag
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There are way more white coaches (head and assistant) than black coaches.
This is probably overwhelmingly true.
What are you supposed to do? Recruit guys right off the street and offer them jobs as a coach?
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:11 pm to Nature Boy
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What are you supposed to do? Recruit guys right off the street and offer them jobs as a coach?
How about college football players who don't have a future in the pros?
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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How about college football players who don't have a future in the pros?
Sounds great. If more of these guys would pursue coaching as a career path, the pool of candidates would be better. You can't make people want to be a coach, though. They have to want it for themselves.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:25 pm to Nature Boy
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Sounds great. If more of these guys would pursue coaching as a career path, the pool of candidates would be better. You can't make people want to be a coach, though. They have to want it for themselves.
If there was an organized effort to get more bright minority players into coaching, I'm sure you would see results. And if for some reason you didn't then at least there was an effort to make sure that the opportunity existed for anyone who wanted it. It also makes a hell of a lot more sense than attacking the issue only at the head coaching level.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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How about college football players who don't have a future in the pros?
That's how most college coaches get started. With a grad assistant position.
Graduation rates probably play a huge role in this.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It also makes a hell of a lot more sense than attacking the issue only at the head coaching level.
100% agreed. I wish the so called "black leaders" in this country would get behind an effort like this rather than just bitch and complain. I would have no problem with it.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:27 pm to LSUtigahs28
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Graduation rates probably play a huge role in this.
Yep. Pretty sure you have to be a college grad to get a job as a college coach.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:31 pm to hashtag
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I don't remember hearing one national publication praise or say anything regarding LSU hiring a black bball coach. They just talked about how we got a good coach.
As it should be
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:20 pm to ffishstik
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As it should be
I agree. Just pointing out the difference in basketball, a sport where blacks becoming head coaches has become more prevelant.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 8:17 pm to Maximus
head coaching jobs are like being CEO of a big corporation.....just because you can carry a football does not make you qualified....
the way to more black coaches is to encourage black students to graduate with the proper degrees, look for grad assistant jobs in the coaching arena, and continue to progress based on their merit as coaches.....
I agree...the way to discourage the hiring of black coaches is to pressure affirmative action-based hiring of unqualified applicants and then start a world of shite when they get fired....
the way to more black coaches is to encourage black students to graduate with the proper degrees, look for grad assistant jobs in the coaching arena, and continue to progress based on their merit as coaches.....
I agree...the way to discourage the hiring of black coaches is to pressure affirmative action-based hiring of unqualified applicants and then start a world of shite when they get fired....
Posted on 12/15/08 at 8:36 pm to Spankum
If I were an AD I would hire Charlie Strong
DC at Florida. Just on his merrits, He's that good and will make a great head coach much better then the guy they hired at AU!
DC at Florida. Just on his merrits, He's that good and will make a great head coach much better then the guy they hired at AU!
Posted on 12/15/08 at 9:25 pm to Maximus
officials at Miss St are racists ..they may as well be Rebels
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