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re: For those of you bitching about Chavis

Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:16 pm to
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:16 pm to
I guess we don't have anyone to replace Pep on the edge...in that case, LSU is fricked next year for sure.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

Maybe kick Big Don's arse off the roster


GTFO
Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:18 pm to
Again, giving him a raise after one year is exactly why LSU will continue to be an 8-10 team win with little shot at the SEC title. Chavis' defenses more based on the offense. They get worse when the offense is better in his history. That's pretty bad to think when it should be the opposite.

We got 4, FOUR, ppg better this year. The pick 6's counted against the defense last year were ridiculous.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:19 pm to
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Chavis' defenses more based on the offense. They get worse when the offense is better in his history. That's pretty bad to think when it should be the opposite.


The frick?
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37645 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:19 pm to
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Hes going to have to take one for the team, unless he can coach QBs


Yano can, and he would do it well.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:23 pm to
Big Don or Robinson going to have to take it for the team. Sorry but TE can be handled...and we definitely have enough recruiters. Robinson has decent ST but he ain't no recruiter either. WE NEED COACHES WHO CAN COACH.

This:



or this:


This post was edited on 12/31/09 at 3:24 pm
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:24 pm to
Why did georgia want him? I am not asking this as a rhetorical question to make him out to be a genius- honestly if the Tennessee guys made fun of 3rd and Chavis and so did we - can none of the coaches see it ?
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:25 pm to
Hes a safe hire who you know what you're going to get in the SEC?

Richt needs to save his job too.
This post was edited on 12/31/09 at 3:26 pm
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
48738 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:26 pm to
Les should coach defense. Take some of his $3.75 mill and pay Gregg Williams or someone else to teach him all they know. Then he can hire a puppet DC and Miles will have something to do.

For $3.75 million, he's gotta do something, right? It's not offense (107th in nation), offensive line (worst in years) or QB development. It's not game management (Ole Miss, timeout usage in general). It's not running a clean program (McCarthy). WTF is it? Recruiting? Yet the OL and DL don't have the talent? $3.75 million to recruit misused skill players?

F that, let Miles coach the defense.
Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:27 pm to
Look at his stats. His best defenses come when the offense is a cluster frick and has been that way for almost 8 years. His defenses are mediocre or suck when the teams offense are actually good.

That is a statistical fact.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:29 pm to
Would you really want Miles coaching defense?

I find it amazing that we have a dedicated TE coach but no QB coach.
This post was edited on 12/31/09 at 3:30 pm
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
35856 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:29 pm to
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The frick?


This same guy had a thread on the rant blaming the defense for the offense's three and outs. Even the rantards recognized the stupidity and called him out. He never returned of course
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:31 pm to
Someone on here blamed Saban for the position we're in today...

Claimed it was Saban's recruiting and we don't even have a recruit on the roster from the Saban era.

And he was serious about it too.
This post was edited on 12/31/09 at 3:32 pm
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
35856 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:32 pm to
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Look at his stats. His best defenses come when the offense is a cluster frick and has been that way for almost 8 years. His defenses are mediocre or suck when the teams offense are actually good.

That is a statistical fact.


You're trying to draw a statistical correlation between two things that are likely coincidental and calling it a fact. A bad offense, and we're obviously talking really bad here, should make it more difficult on the defense.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:33 pm to
Chavis made LSU's D look much better in one year. Richt bought himself 1 year by firing Martinez(He technically resigned). Richt needs a guy who can make his D look respectable in one year.
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:36 pm to
quote:

Look at his stats. His best defenses come when the offense is a cluster frick and has been that way for almost 8 years. His defenses are mediocre or suck when the teams offense are actually good.

That is a statistical fact.


Actually that is a logical fallacy , false cause as well as denying the antecedent.

When the offenses were improving in Tennessee, did he have the same kind of Defensive players each year?

Did Tennessee decide to recruit more O skill players than D skill?

Did the offense of opposing teams improve in those years ?

BTW - His defenses could well suck as years go by but your correlation is not logical.
Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:38 pm to
No, I said he has extremes consistently, and NOWHERE did I put entire blame for our shitty offense on Chavis, but if you don't think it had an effect you're a complete moron.

Teams were eating up clock on us all game in many cases. UF, MSU, UW, etc all proved that.

The guy had one "GREAT" defensive game this year against a quality opponent, and he deserves a raise?

I said I was fine with him staying if they didn't give him $200k more per year. Instead they gave him just that.

He's a stabilizer and knows the SEC. UGA isn't expecting a lights out defense, they aren't used to that. LSU is. Any improvement for them is good, and Richt struck out early on a LOT of his top choices, so he went (like Miles) after a safe pick in Chavis.

That isn't a compliment to Chavis as a great DC, but a good one. Nothing more.
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:46 pm to
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The guy had one "GREAT" defensive game this year against a quality opponent, and he deserves a raise?


Actually I don't think you will find anyone in this economy (leave alone amongst LSU fans ) who would agree to any raise leave alone for Chavis for doing a good job but not high double digit percentage raise-worthy

Never mind all the arguments - I am just not really putting in thought - I really don't know - I just want LSU to win and I hope that all these coaching changes and new players and old players and referees make sure that we succeed next year.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63702 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 3:52 pm to
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Do you realize Chavis' defense was partly responsible for the fact our offense had on average like 20 less plays than our opponents?


Explain. Please use statistics.

Hint: They won't back you up.
Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 12/31/09 at 4:02 pm to
I exaggerated but by stats its 10.

LSU offense - ~60 offensive plays per (722 plays in 12 games)

LSU opponents - ~70 offensive plays per game (846 plays in 12 games)

It's even a bigger issue in BCS games:
UF - 64 to 47 (-17)
MSU - 86 to 58 (-28)
Bama - 72 to 56 (-16)
UW - 83 to 48 (-35)

That's just 4 of our 9 BCS games alone accounting for a -96 difference between our offense and opponent's offensive plays.

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