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Don't want Herman or Jimbo now?... let's break it down for you fools
Posted on 10/9/16 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 10/9/16 at 8:24 pm
**bumped because people are idiots and this needs to be said continuously**
Who are the best coaches out there? I don't think anyone will argue much with these:
-Saban
-Meyer
-Harbaugh
Those guys are sure fire home runs, who you'd expect to win a NC in a few years. But we all agree these guys are completely unattainable.
After that let's look at other proven winners. Coaches with either Natty hardware, runner's up, big bowl wins, etc. You'll notice that things get messy quick.
-Jimbo
-Stoops
-Dabo
-Chip Kelley (the only NFL guy who I think would consider coming back to college)
-Les Miles (yes, his resume is up there)
-Mark Richt
-David Shaw
-Brian Kelly
-Chris Peterson
Look at those guys and you'll see HUGE flaws in each. Every single one you could point out specific games and years that would make you question their coaching ability.
After that, you have more "unproven" guys with much potential, or proven winners but with baggage. A few would be the following:
-Herman
-Petrino
-Briles
-Fedora
-Gundy
-Helfrich (he's kinda a fringe guy but I'll throw him in)
Again, all of those guys you could argue hard against based on some negative factors.
After that it's a fricking crap shoot. You have no idea what you're gonna get. Really, other than the top 3 guys it's a crap shoot. They could all fail miserably.
All of this is to point out to the idiots who say they don't want Jimbo or Herman based off of some recent games, or whatever other shite they want to bring up, that the pool of top level coaches for a top flight program is TINY.
If you can pull one of those guys, or in LSU's case swap one out for another, you go after it. It's the smart and logical decision. Saban and Meyer don't grow on trees. If it doesn't work out there's reallg not much else you could've done besides get lucky on some unknown up and comer.
Who are the best coaches out there? I don't think anyone will argue much with these:
-Saban
-Meyer
-Harbaugh
Those guys are sure fire home runs, who you'd expect to win a NC in a few years. But we all agree these guys are completely unattainable.
After that let's look at other proven winners. Coaches with either Natty hardware, runner's up, big bowl wins, etc. You'll notice that things get messy quick.
-Jimbo
-Stoops
-Dabo
-Chip Kelley (the only NFL guy who I think would consider coming back to college)
-Les Miles (yes, his resume is up there)
-Mark Richt
-David Shaw
-Brian Kelly
-Chris Peterson
Look at those guys and you'll see HUGE flaws in each. Every single one you could point out specific games and years that would make you question their coaching ability.
After that, you have more "unproven" guys with much potential, or proven winners but with baggage. A few would be the following:
-Herman
-Petrino
-Briles
-Fedora
-Gundy
-Helfrich (he's kinda a fringe guy but I'll throw him in)
Again, all of those guys you could argue hard against based on some negative factors.
After that it's a fricking crap shoot. You have no idea what you're gonna get. Really, other than the top 3 guys it's a crap shoot. They could all fail miserably.
All of this is to point out to the idiots who say they don't want Jimbo or Herman based off of some recent games, or whatever other shite they want to bring up, that the pool of top level coaches for a top flight program is TINY.
If you can pull one of those guys, or in LSU's case swap one out for another, you go after it. It's the smart and logical decision. Saban and Meyer don't grow on trees. If it doesn't work out there's reallg not much else you could've done besides get lucky on some unknown up and comer.
This post was edited on 10/29/16 at 8:52 pm
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 8:46 pm to rintintin
quote:
-Saban
-Meyer
-Harbaugh
Those guys are sure fire home runs, who you'd expect to win a NC in a few years. But we all agree these guys are completely unattainable.
Obviously true. Same goes for Chris Peterson and David Shaw. Both are at their dream schools and doing well.
Neither Richt nor Dabo is likely to move either IMO. Both have a real opportunity to recruit, win, and be secure in teh ACC they won't easily leave.
I think you look at the following:
1) A serious discussion with Jimbo or Herman
2) Ask around about Stoops, Chip, and Patterson to see if they are potentially interested in moving and what they think they would be able to do
3) If you come up unsatisfied or refused by the first two options then look at Fedora, Arranda, or maybe Fleck (don't know about the last one given his inexperience)
I love Coach O but I wouldn't hire him as head coach unless he suddenly becomes a kickass coordinator level football mind.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 9:58 pm to rintintin
LSU made even Miles look good.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 10:10 pm to rintintin
quote:
Harbaugh
I'd like to see him win more than an Orange Bowl before he's mentioned with those other two.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 10:21 pm to nvasil1
He also took an NFL team to the Super Bowl.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 10:32 pm to BBATiger
Tom Coughlin won 2 Super Bowls and all he won in college was a CarQuest Bowl. There's no correlation.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 10:40 pm to nvasil1
Uh he was at BC, not exactly a big time program.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 10:46 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Uh ok, Saban won a national championship and had a losing record in the NFL.
Lou Holtz quit the Jets before the season was over.
No correlation to college.
Lou Holtz quit the Jets before the season was over.
No correlation to college.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 11:18 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
Uh he was at BC, not exactly a big time program.
People on this board don't understand that.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 11:30 pm to rintintin
quote:
-Helfrich
What the fricking frick
Posted on 10/9/16 at 11:56 pm to jlnoles79
quote:
Uh he was at BC, not exactly a big time program.
quote:
People on this board don't understand that.
I would love to see your explanation of how BC football and the NFL are relevant to one another. For the benefit of this board, of course.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 3:40 am to rintintin
The problem with Jimbo is the unsolved offense. He struggles early in games cause of refusal to spread things early. His second half of games show more of what I like. There is an element of CLM in his play calling. The fact that he doesn't see this mind boggling.
I think he should remain at FSU. I want a true spread minded coach.
I think he should remain at FSU. I want a true spread minded coach.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:25 am to rintintin
What about Chris Petersen I think he's a great coach??What you guys think of him??
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:28 am to wildtigercat93
quote:
Helfrich
What the fricking frick
Say what you will about this year, but the dude was in the National Championship 2 years ago and coached under Chip Kelley. He's as proven as Herman is.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:28 am to CJH1977
Many say hes Not leaving the west coast
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:32 am to rintintin
You forgot Belicheck
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:34 am to prepsportsallday
quote:
The problem with Jimbo is......
That's fine, everyone has their arguments, but the point of this thread is to show that other than the top 3 guys (well top 2 really because even Harbaugh doesn't have hardware), every single potential coach out there has major flaws.
For all those people who make asinine threads when FSU is losing at halftime, saying they don't want Jimbo because he can't beat whoever, take a step back and stop being so short-sighted.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:28 am to rintintin
quote:
After that let's look at other proven winners. Coaches with either Natty hardware, runner's up, big bowl wins, etc. You'll notice that things get messy quick.
Why is Herman not in this category? He has lost 2 games in his 2 years at Houston, and has a bowl win over FSU and a regular season win over OU. He was OC at a national champion team and has proven to be able to use his personnel well to win games.
As you stated, there really aren't more than 10 guys who can fill these roles, but you fire a guy like Miles who has won before. You have to find the "unproven" guy that becomes Saban or Meyer 15 years down the line
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:44 am to rintintin
quote:
Who are the best coaches out there? I don't think anyone will argue much with these:
-Saban
-Meyer
-Harbaugh
Those guys are sure fire home runs, who you'd expect to win a NC in a few years. But we all agree these guys are completely unattainable.
How about we not put people who have never won a NC on this list, ok?
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:56 am to Buckeye06
I would agree Herman is at the very top of tier 2, but it's just not logical based on his resume to compare him to Saban and Meyer.
I think everyone understands his potential though, and that's what you are hiring him based on.
I think everyone understands his potential though, and that's what you are hiring him based on.
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