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Does Anyone Think Crowton Should Stay (And Why)?

Posted on 1/3/10 at 1:34 am
Posted by GABlueDog
Marietta, GA
Member since Dec 2008
8045 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 1:34 am
Being an assistant, especially a coordinator, at LSU is an extremely rewarding, valuable, prestigious, and important job. It provides you with the opportunity to work with some of the most talented athletes in the entire country at a school with a storied past and rich tradition. You will play against the best opponents in the country in the most powerful conference. You will have every opportunity to be successful because of the resources and support that will be at your disposal. You will be rewarded greatly for your work as you will be one of the highest compensated assistants in the country.

With the rewards and value of the position comes expectations. We will expect you to be successful. Period. If you are in charge of the offense, we will expect the offense to be productive. We will expect our team to score points. We will expect the offense to move the ball and accumulate yards. We will expect the extremely talented players under your direction to be developed, utilized, and ultimately capitalized to maximum efficiency. We will expect insightful and exploitative game planning and timely play calling. We will expect problems that are encountered to be solved. We will expect any difficulties and struggling aspects to be improved. We expect production. Failure to accomplish such expectations should result in you being relieved of your responsibilities and the abundant rewards that come with your position.

Crowton, IMO, has failed at these expectations this year. The responsibility of a properly utilized and productive offense falls on his shoulders and the product of his work resulted in what we all struggled to watch on the field this year. I cannot sit and watch any longer how Crowton is using our beloved Tigers. His game plans are unimpressive. His play calling is, to use the most polite terms, circumspect and ill-advised. The offense is predictable, uncreative, inefficient, and ultimately unproductive. The QBs have shown no improvement under his tutelage. Our talent is failing to be properly utilized.

This offense has shown no improvement from the first game in September to the last game on Friday. Every single game this year, it has been painful to watch this talented team struggle to move the ball. This LSU team resulting in the 108th (or whatever it exactly is) ranked offense is simply unacceptable. Perhaps Crowton is not a bad coach. Sometimes, for whatever reasons, things do not work out and competent people fail. Even in such an event, it is necessary to move in another direction.

The LSU offense is a Ferrari. It is time the keys were taken away from Crowton and given to someone else. I am sure there are plenty of competent, intelligent, and creative offensive coaches out there that would love the opportunity to direct the LSU offense and the arsenal of weapons that it possesses. How could it get worse? Could we drop from 108th (or whatever the exact number is) to dead last? We should expect better. We deserve better. The players deserve better.
Posted by lsufan52
new iberia la
Member since Oct 2009
1970 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:12 am to
no hell no
Posted by Grandmike
Houston, TX
Member since Jul 2009
693 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 8:53 am to
Thoughtful and well said
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:26 am to
quote:

The LSU offense is a Ferrari. It is time the keys were taken away from Crowton and given to someone else. I am sure there are plenty of competent, intelligent, and creative offensive coaches out there that would love the opportunity to direct the LSU offense and the arsenal of weapons that it possesses.


a couple of points here...the LSU offense is not a Ferrari, it's a 2003 Ford Ranger with real expensive rims. Until a competent o-line is built and a QB develops into a leader, the offense is going to struggle. We do not have elite talent at these positions right now, and Crowton is not the guy to figure out how to get the most out of a Ford Ranger. We don't need creativity or wizardry, we need an OC who fully understands what his personnel is capable of, and put together a game plan based on maximizing those strengths.


quote:

How could it get worse?


the rating is somewhat due to the focus on limiting turnovers, so a bunch of turnovers would've made it worse...
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63702 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:28 am to
I do not.

I think the lack of continuity between his philosophy and the coaching of the OL is reason enough for a change to be made.

To perform as bad as we have on the OL requires a lack of oversight of the integral pieces of the offense. Offensive Coordinators are not simply playcallers. They oversee the entire offense and should have a philosophy and method to implementing the system that they want to run.

I don't see that out of Crowton. I think his playcalling looks terrible in part because he is handicapped by this OL. But, it is his responsibility to make sure that the OL is coached/developed to the level it needs to be. Things can not get as bad as they are without a complete lack of oversight.
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8154 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:33 am to
quote:

I don't see that out of Crowton. I think his playcalling looks terrible in part because he is handicapped by this OL. But, it is his responsibility to make sure that the OL is coached/developed to the level it needs to be. Things can not get as bad as they are without a complete lack of oversight.


Handicapped by this OL but has an athletic QB. Crowton HAS to go. There is just no excuse for this.
Posted by ToplessTenors4evuh
Member since Jan 2005
41259 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:43 am to
He doesn't know how to develop QB's. Simple as that.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:44 am to
quote:

think the lack of continuity between his philosophy and the coaching of the OL is reason enough for a change to be made.


I've watched Crowton since the Tech days and the only philosophy I can figure out is "come up with a bunch of plays, and call all of them". I'm not really sure he spends much time breaking down a defense to look for tendencies. Tony Franklin said the same thing, that he'll run his plays, he really doesn't worry about what the defense does. This is why I'm not wild about "system" guys.

It frustrated me all year long to watch teams use motion to pull a LB out of a play, or drag a receiver across the middle on a delay, or successfully run a screen, or successfully disguise a play.


Posted by tigermike200444
baton rouge
Member since Dec 2003
9106 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:01 am to
id give him 1 more year
Posted by dodgelsu09
Natchitoches, La
Member since May 2009
251 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 6:53 pm to
only an idiot would want crowton for one more year.
Posted by Katy Tiger
Houston area
Member since Sep 2004
8032 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:05 pm to
If Crowton comes back, next season is going to be miserable.
Posted by Terry the Tiger
Cypress, Texas
Member since Jul 2009
3494 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:12 pm to
The original post is over 32 hours old and only one person said that they think Crowton should stay. 'Nuff said.
Posted by mrbayoublu
Acadiana
Member since Jan 2004
2962 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:35 pm to
If LSU had a bad OL, the Crowton needed to to adjust. And if did try to adjust, he did a terrible job.

I can't imagine many Head Coaches at a Top Ten school keeping an OC like Crowton.

No backbone by our Head Coach. No guts to challenge plays during the game, whether the plays or called by GC or the penalties are called by the Refs. Mr. Nice Guy would rather be nice.
Posted by Sonny G
Houston, TX
Member since May 2009
508 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:47 pm to
I defened him before the bowl game, but no more.

I said we sould give him one more year...before the bowl game.

I've changed my mind...Crowton needs to be fired or Miles should be fired after next year if he brings him back. Miles has got to know this.

Miles is a loyal guy, but loyalty has it's limits. I have faith that Miles will be interviewing soon for a new OC for 2010!

This post was edited on 1/3/10 at 9:49 pm
Posted by STEALTH
Kansas
Member since Feb 2008
958 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:04 pm to
Agree, Miles brings Crowton back at his own peril IMO. Miles gets a pass if he looks like he is searching for an offensive alternative by letting Crowton go. Thats the advantage of not calling either side of the ball if your Miles. Being content with our current offense is not a luxary Miles can afford unless he believes it can be turned around quickly. Gonzo as pass game coordinador is lame at best. Im not buying it like alot of people on this board. Either Miles has a plan to let Crowton get another job or he could be in real trouble next year.

So why risk it if your Miles? Its Crazy?
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:56 pm to
ForeLSU, best damn summation of crowton and our offense i've read. kudo's.

i'm still for firing him. being one of the bottom offenses in the country is not acceptable at LSU.
Posted by MandevilleLSUTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
6884 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 8:13 am to
Was GC responsible for LSU's most productive offense ever?

What's the difference between now and then? GC is the same, but other variables have changed.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 8:18 am to
I don't know the dynamics between Miles staff members. Pretty sure we all have ideas, but no one knows for sure if Crowton has free reign or has Miles influence. Some of the stuff I saw this year looked more Miles than Crowton.

Still, its the responsibility of the coordinator to make it happen and ultimately the responsibility of the HC. Both are looking at job jeopardy if things do not change. If Crowton is solely responsible for the offense, and all decisions, game planning and implementation are his, then he should go and Miles keeping him for another year is sure to mean both will be gone after next season. Crowton appears on the surface to be Les Miles' version of Lou Tepper.
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
6349 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:34 pm to
Well said. If this was a one year problem I would say that we need to give GC another chance. But some of his calls the last two years have been mystifying and his handling of our young QBs has been as well. I would like to see fresh blood.
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