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Coaching buyouts and shady back room deals
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:48 pm
Does it really make much sense that these coaches get such huge buyouts in their contracts? If another team wants the coach, and he wants to leave the money for the buyout will always be paid.
Does anyone think some of the people in positions to negotiate and sign off on these coaching contracts are getting some of this money somehow?
It just doesnt make sense. The vast majority of these buyouts always end up with the school taking the hit as there just arent many instances of successful coaches at schools well off enough to pay huge salaries bolting to go to other programs. Far more often, the coaches are getting fat paychecks because they sucked enough to get fired.
On that note, does it really make sense to incentivize failure? Once you get burnt out, why even put in much effort when a golden parachute is waiting on you?
Coach O will have a 6 million dollar buyout next season. Does anyone really think O would have turned down the LSU job if they had said no buyout when negotiating the offer? Gustav getting a 32 million dollar buyout when fans were ready to give him the boot before the Georgia game last season??
It doesnt add up...
Does anyone think some of the people in positions to negotiate and sign off on these coaching contracts are getting some of this money somehow?
It just doesnt make sense. The vast majority of these buyouts always end up with the school taking the hit as there just arent many instances of successful coaches at schools well off enough to pay huge salaries bolting to go to other programs. Far more often, the coaches are getting fat paychecks because they sucked enough to get fired.
On that note, does it really make sense to incentivize failure? Once you get burnt out, why even put in much effort when a golden parachute is waiting on you?
Coach O will have a 6 million dollar buyout next season. Does anyone really think O would have turned down the LSU job if they had said no buyout when negotiating the offer? Gustav getting a 32 million dollar buyout when fans were ready to give him the boot before the Georgia game last season??
It doesnt add up...
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:52 pm to bamafan1001
No it’s just simple negotiating leverage. A coach can demand a big buyout if he’s in high demand.
Just because Joe Alleva is a fricking moron willing to give a coach with ZERO demand a buyout doesn’t mean all AD’s are that stupid
Just because Joe Alleva is a fricking moron willing to give a coach with ZERO demand a buyout doesn’t mean all AD’s are that stupid
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:53 pm to bamafan1001
Buyouts are tricky. You want to provide coaches with job security and you want to show other coaches that your school will provide that, but in today’s landscape all it takes is one bad season and the fan base will turn on you.
Having said that, no one was banging on Ed Orgeron’s door to hire him this season, so it doesn’t really make sense to provide him an extension and buyout after a 9-3 season. With Gus, they should have let him take the Arkansas job. No coach is worth 32 million dollars, let alone a career 7-5 coach. I was one of the only Auburn posters to say that last year and got blasted for it, but here we are.
Having said that, no one was banging on Ed Orgeron’s door to hire him this season, so it doesn’t really make sense to provide him an extension and buyout after a 9-3 season. With Gus, they should have let him take the Arkansas job. No coach is worth 32 million dollars, let alone a career 7-5 coach. I was one of the only Auburn posters to say that last year and got blasted for it, but here we are.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:03 pm to DyeHardDylan
I get certain aspects of it...like you wanna show recruits you are committed to your coach etc but in most cases the buyout gets paid regardless of how high it is. The only places where I can see buyouts being a good deal are mid tier schools that will get paid if their coach is good enough to get a better job and are willing to wait out coaches that arent good.
My only guess with Gus is that the contract renegotiation last season ended in some bitterness on one side, hence why you have people leaking information attempting to humiliate Gus at the expense of the program. The Jox guys think that this information leaking out is just an attempt to get Gus to relent.
My only guess with Gus is that the contract renegotiation last season ended in some bitterness on one side, hence why you have people leaking information attempting to humiliate Gus at the expense of the program. The Jox guys think that this information leaking out is just an attempt to get Gus to relent.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:09 pm to bamafan1001
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My only guess with Gus is that the contract renegotiation last season ended in some bitterness on one side, hence why you have people leaking information attempting to humiliate Gus at the expense of the program. The Jox guys think that this information leaking out is just an attempt to get Gus to relent.
I’m sure that’s what it is. We had one very prominent booster that was in Gus’s corner that helped negotiate the contract. And now we have other boosters that are hellbent in making sure Gus and the President of the university are forced out. Meanwhile, our AD hasn’t been seen or heard from in days. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians. And unless people in power at Auburn are willing to put their egos aside, we’ll be back in the same situation.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:10 pm to DyeHardDylan
I can understand an extension for Orgeron.
Buyout? GTFOH
I don’t think Alleva is that dumb. I also can’t imagine Orgeron is dumb enough to stand pat with the offensive coaching.
Buyout? GTFOH
I don’t think Alleva is that dumb. I also can’t imagine Orgeron is dumb enough to stand pat with the offensive coaching.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:21 pm to RuLSU
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I don’t think Alleva is that dumb.
We have options
1) He really is dumb which I dont think he is
2) He views booster money as basically monopoly money
3) He and or other parties associated with offering and approving this buyout are getting slices of the pie behind the scenes
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:24 am to bamafan1001
The buyouts work both ways . Smaller schools needs the coaches to have buyouts so they don’t leave . It atleast makes them stick around a little longer. This seems to be a thing more for smaller schools.
On the other side coaches want to keep some of the contract money if they are let go .
I agree about coach O take the job no matter what he was offered. But most of us didn’t understand why they would even hire him in the first place .
On the other side coaches want to keep some of the contract money if they are let go .
I agree about coach O take the job no matter what he was offered. But most of us didn’t understand why they would even hire him in the first place .
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:26 am to bamafan1001
After Os extension this year that is all but complete, his buyout will jump about $10M. It’s malfeasance.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:07 pm to bamafan1001
its not about retaining coaches, its about being able to lie to recruits saying you have a long contract so dont worry about me leaving, and at the same time schools sometimes make money on the buyouts but they never lose money
Posted on 11/30/18 at 5:54 pm to keakar
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but they never lose money
Yeah, the school didn’t lose money paying Les Miles, but some wealthy boosters did. I think this is Alleva’s way of thinking... He’s making a lot of money for the AD, and boosters will pay a buyout because they want a coach gone. It’s going to be funny watching how this happens when boosters want O gone, because they’ll want Alleva, and probably F King, gone also. Alleva they can force out, F King I’m not sure. The power struggle will be entertaining.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:39 pm to bamafan1001
There are more programs capable of greatness than there are coaches who can deliver it, it’s really just that simple.
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