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re: Coach O at OM and the mistake that haunts him
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:16 pm to Salmon
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:16 pm to Salmon
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but he needs to prove it at a lesser program first for a few years
Why?
I'm not saying you're wrong, but what does winning the Sunbelt against Sunbelt coaches prove to you that winning the SEC West against Saban, Freeze, McElwain, and Sumlin won't?
Unless he's there for five years it will always be some other guy's players, and the decisions and adversity he has and will face over the next month are pretty good barometers for how his management style may have changed to be more successful.
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:17 pm to Tiger4Liberty
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I'm just saying that comparing a terrible record from a perennially bottom dwelling SEC program against stiff SEC competition to a winning MAC record must be taken with a grain of salt.
Dude did you not read those paragraphs i posted? You make it seem like O inherited the worst team to ever play in the SEC.
If you're comparing MAC to SEC why is that even relevant to this conversation? Your argument doesn't make sense.
He took the job because he thought he could and would succeed. Obviously he overestimated his HC abilities. He has yet to prove that he learned from those mistakes. So why should LSU be his science experiment? Why wouldn't he have to prove himself at some lower level school first?
Honestly, not being a dick here but, what point are you trying to argue? That O gets a pass because his team had stiff competition? I truly don't understand what point/excuse you're providing for his poor success at Ole Miss.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:18 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Why?
because I would like to see him run a successful program as HC
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what does winning the Sunbelt against Sunbelt coaches prove to you that winning the SEC West against Saban, Freeze, McElwain, and Sumlin won't?
multiple years
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:18 pm to Chad504boy
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This is a lot of smoke and mirrors. If you're a good coach, you at least still have success, just a matter of how much and to what degree its sustained.
Hallman had success at USM. Look what he did at LSU.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:19 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Unless he's there for five years it will always be some other guy's players, and the decisions and adversity he has and will face over the next month are pretty good barometers for how his management style may have changed to be more successful.
He should be there for 5 or more years. He failed at ole miss. If you want to know that he can run a program long term then yes he should show he can sustain success at a lower tier school. Is that really that unfair?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:26 pm to mikrit54
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Posted by mikrit54 online on 10/26/16 at 1:18 pm to Chad504boy quote: This is a lot of smoke and mirrors. If you're a good coach, you at least still have success, just a matter of how much and to what degree its sustained. Hallman had success at USM. Look what he did at LSU.
So we should hire a coach that's never been successful?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:27 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but what does winning the Sunbelt against Sunbelt coaches prove to you that winning the SEC West against Saban, Freeze, McElwain, and Sumlin won't?
1.) it proves that his lip service about changing, actually means something. Prove you can sustain a program
2.) the fact that the lessor programs that are coming after him in your head are Sun Belt teams should tell you all the reasons he is not qualified to be our head coach
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:28 pm to Tiger Tracker
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If you want to know that he can run a program long term then yes he should show he can sustain success at a lower tier school. Is that really that unfair?
Every coach not named Saban or Meyer comes with risk. If you wait around for the perfect candidate then there won't be any left. I could argue that no coach on our list has had sustained success over their entire career. Fedora is the only one with a virtually spotless resume, and he might be the worst hire of the whole bunch.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:29 pm to wildtigercat93
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So we should hire a coach that's never been successful?
Asshat. I never said that in that comment.
It's a fricking obervation.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:31 pm to mikrit54
A useless observation, which is my point
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:31 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Every coach not named Saban or Meyer comes with risk.
correct
so while you are performing your risk assessment, you must take into account each candidates resume and perceived risk
hiring a candidate whose only HC experience was an abject failure does not seem to be mitigating that risk
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:33 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I could argue that no coach on our list has had sustained success over their entire career.
Really? Chip Kelly and Jimbo come to mind right off the bat.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:35 pm to Salmon
quote:Maybe LSU has been one of those programs since 2011
but he needs to prove it at a lesser program first for a few years
I know there's pride among the fans that LSU is gods gift, but history says otherwise.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:35 pm to wildtigercat93
Useless how?
The post mentioned a being a successful coach.
Hallman was a successful coach at USM. It was not sustained at LSU.
The post mentioned a being a successful coach.
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If you're a good coach, you at least still have success, just a matter of how much and to what degree its sustained.
Hallman was a successful coach at USM. It was not sustained at LSU.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:36 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Chip Kelly
The guy who probably about to be fired for the second time in two years? Way to knock my point out the park for me.
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Jimbo
Is currently floundering in the ACC with top 5 recruiting classes. Petrino just embarrassed him with a bunch of 3*s. By your standards, even Herman isn't sustaining a program right now.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:37 pm to sjmabry
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Maybe LSU has been one of those programs since 2011
I know there's pride among the fans that LSU is gods gift, but history says otherwise.
plenty of people outside of LSU admin or fans consider LSU a top 5-10 job in CFB
don't be ignorant
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:38 pm to Salmon
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so while you are performing your risk assessment, you must take into account each candidates resume and perceived risk
hiring a candidate whose only HC experience was an abject failure does not seem to be mitigating that risk
And considering only that experience, a decade ago, despite context or current evidence, would be doing yourself a disservice.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:39 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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The guy who probably about to be fired for the second time in two years? Way to knock my point out the park for me.
well with this standard Saban has a failure as well and would be a risk...
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Is currently floundering in the ACC with top 5 recruiting classes. Petrino just embarrassed him with a bunch of 3*s. By your standards, even Herman isn't sustaining a program right now.
you think Fisher is on the verge of being fired?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:39 pm to mikrit54
How does that relate to the coach in question that HASNT been successful or sustained success and a program?
You're just bringing in a random annedotal point into the conversation
The quote isn't saying that EVERY coach that has success on a lower level sustains it on the next level. He's saying that EVERYcoach that has success on the next level had success on a lower level first.
You're just bringing in a random annedotal point into the conversation
The quote isn't saying that EVERY coach that has success on a lower level sustains it on the next level. He's saying that EVERYcoach that has success on the next level had success on a lower level first.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:40 pm to wildtigercat93
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Yet again ignoring that the coaches before and after him had success in that bottom dweller program you speak of
They have no answer for this. You would think by year 3 at OM with his recruits being juniors, he would at least get to .500.
And the nutt comes in a goes to the cotton bowl the next year.
This thread is pointless
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