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Co-Defensive Coordinator
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:08 am
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:08 am
Coach O hired Pelini last year thinking he was going to be a long term hire. He was looking for “stability.”
OSU has two coordinators so they are never left high and dry. Both install, one is primary play caller.
Why doesn’t LSU try something like this? For example hire Chris Ash as S/Co-DC to help Ryan Nielsen get his feet wet with play calling. (I do think Ryan has some experience, but probably not a significant amount.)
This is just an example. It gives LSU stability in Ash and upside with a Nielsen. Bad idea? Good idea?
For the record: Just hire Zach Arnett. He is slightly better than even Freeman, but I really wanted O to make a diverse hire here.
OSU has two coordinators so they are never left high and dry. Both install, one is primary play caller.
Why doesn’t LSU try something like this? For example hire Chris Ash as S/Co-DC to help Ryan Nielsen get his feet wet with play calling. (I do think Ryan has some experience, but probably not a significant amount.)
This is just an example. It gives LSU stability in Ash and upside with a Nielsen. Bad idea? Good idea?
For the record: Just hire Zach Arnett. He is slightly better than even Freeman, but I really wanted O to make a diverse hire here.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 9:13 am
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:10 am to IowaCityTigerFan
Peveto and Mallory should be available
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 9:27 am
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:15 am to IowaCityTigerFan
I really hope they at least interview arnett.
I like the idea of a co-dc and have one waiting in the wings. Problem is a lot of these coaches want full control
I like the idea of a co-dc and have one waiting in the wings. Problem is a lot of these coaches want full control
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:16 am to IowaCityTigerFan
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He is slightly better than even Freeman, but I really wanted O to make a diverse hire here.
O prob wants best available but he's likely got some outsideRC pressuRC regarding race.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:25 am to Chalkywhite84
Arnett has been more successful than Freeman if you look at the numbers.They run the same scheme.
However, this is just in case they don’t pursue him(they should.)
I want Arnett.. but Nielsen/Ash would be a nice compromise!
However, this is just in case they don’t pursue him(they should.)
I want Arnett.. but Nielsen/Ash would be a nice compromise!
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:26 am to IowaCityTigerFan
Those downvoting.. why is successful at OSU, but would be unsuccessful at LSU? I’m asking.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:27 am to IowaCityTigerFan
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but I really wanted O to make a diverse hire here.
Little confused here as even the 2 you recommend for your Co-DC position are both white.
Who would you recommend outside of Freeman, who I think gave LSU the best of everything, including being a minority hire? But outside of Kris Richard, the only realistic option of quality is likely Tem Lukabu; unless they go with tired retread hires like Charlie Strong or Randy Shannon.
I understand fans and LSU's desire to hire a minority for the position; but at this point, I want best qualified to do the job. If that is a minority, then awesome, sign him up. If not, then so be it. There are tons of other college teams managing to relate well to their majority black athlete teams with white coaches.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:35 am to IowaCityTigerFan
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Those downvoting.. why is successful at OSU, but would be unsuccessful at LSU? I’m asking.
Because LSU fans are the dumbest fans in college sports. They think because something didn't work in 2008, that it won't work in 2021 with totally different humans involved.
They are also against all the other changes most successful schools are moving towards: Safeties coach, passing game coordinator, and all the other new-fangled modern stuff.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:36 am to IowaCityTigerFan
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For example hire Chris Ash as S/Co-DC to help Ryan Nielsen get his feet wet with play calling
I thought co-DCs could work with Raymond and someone like Ash as well. Assuming Raymond even wants to be a DC.
Like you said, this wouldn't be my first choice, but it could definitely have advantages.
I certainly wouldn't hate it just because it didn't work with Malveto. Doug Mallory and BDP, individually, simply weren't very good coaches. I have no idea why Les thought two mediocre coaches would become a competent DC.
It's kind of a lazy argument to bring them up every time co-DCs are mentioned.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:36 am to TigerLaw40
LSU went all in to make a diverse hire. They should be applauded for that. Tem has earned a call. If they hire him, awesome! Love his upside!
The two white guy names I mentioned are because that is who is out there.. one has proven DC abilities and is only getting the boot because of a HC change. The other is a position coach that wants to be a DC.
Again, these are examples.
Or find a Co-DC that is a minority that coaches an open position.
Or Hire Arnett. DLine and S coach can both be minority.
The two white guy names I mentioned are because that is who is out there.. one has proven DC abilities and is only getting the boot because of a HC change. The other is a position coach that wants to be a DC.
Again, these are examples.
Or find a Co-DC that is a minority that coaches an open position.
Or Hire Arnett. DLine and S coach can both be minority.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:37 am to IowaCityTigerFan
Speaking of Co-DCs
What about Alex Grinch?
OU was 101 in scoring defense in 2018
My hey brought in Grinch and jumped up to 64 and now they’re at 26th. That’s pretty good in the Big 12 which has been a Video Game offense Conference for the past decade.
What about Alex Grinch?
OU was 101 in scoring defense in 2018
My hey brought in Grinch and jumped up to 64 and now they’re at 26th. That’s pretty good in the Big 12 which has been a Video Game offense Conference for the past decade.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:38 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Bjorn speaking truth this morning.
It’s a far different world we live in 2021 than 2008.
LSU needs to stay ahead of the curve.
It’s a far different world we live in 2021 than 2008.
LSU needs to stay ahead of the curve.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:39 am to SammyTiger
Just speculating.. Grinch’s next move should be as a HC somewhere.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:40 am to IowaCityTigerFan
Iowa if they can find two guys that can make it work I’m fine with it if that’s what it takes to getting back to a dominant defense year after year. It’s been my experience in the work environment it’s hard to get two Alpha Type A people to work together because one of them wants to be king. I’m learning to think outside of the box because of Covid though. Many of my employees are more productive working from home and staggering shifts at the plant has caused an increase in productivity. Myths or beliefs by modern management across the country are being proved wrong.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:44 am to IowaCityTigerFan
they probably still have a bad taste in their mouth after the last time we had Co-DCs.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:44 am to IowaCityTigerFan
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but I really wanted O to make a diverse hire here.
Hire the best candidate available for the damn job!!!
I don't care if he's F'in green.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:45 am to IowaCityTigerFan
Kerry Coombs, Ohio State's defensive coordinator, was in a similar situation as Corey Raymond at LSU. He was their long-time CB coach. They made him the "assistant defensive coordinator" and then he finally went to the NFL for a few years, got some additional experience at the next level, and then came back as DC when the position opened up.
The problem with a lot of coaches, is that they never want to get out of their comfort zone. Which is fine, if they are happy where they are.
If Raymond is happy as a DB coach at LSU making $600,000, then I hope he stays for life.
But if he wants to move up, then perhaps he needs a change of scenery.
The problem with a lot of coaches, is that they never want to get out of their comfort zone. Which is fine, if they are happy where they are.
If Raymond is happy as a DB coach at LSU making $600,000, then I hope he stays for life.
But if he wants to move up, then perhaps he needs a change of scenery.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:47 am to Earthquake 88
I’m not saying there are two chefs in the kitchen.
Nielsen(Or whomever) is the main guy.
Ash(has been fired twice in 4 years*) shouldn’t have much of an ego. He is there to provide stability, insight, install and personnel.
*Ash got fired because he wasn’t a head coach. Then fired again because of new HC. Texas improved on D.
Nielsen(Or whomever) is the main guy.
Ash(has been fired twice in 4 years*) shouldn’t have much of an ego. He is there to provide stability, insight, install and personnel.
*Ash got fired because he wasn’t a head coach. Then fired again because of new HC. Texas improved on D.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:49 am to IowaCityTigerFan
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LSU went all in to make a diverse hire. They should be applauded for that.
I never said that they shouldn't be applauded; but they weren't going after Freeman primarily because he is a black man. They were going after him because he was likely the best coach on the market and had the added benefit that he is a diverse hire.
Not to mention, let's not act as if 2 of our last 3 DC's haven't been minorities; so it's not like LSU has never had a diverse hire in a coordinator position.
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Tem has earned a call. If they hire him, awesome! Love his upside!
I didn't say he hasn't earned a call. In fact, I said he likely is the most qualified realistic candidate out there that is a minority. I have no qualms with LSU giving him an interview and vetting him as a serious candidate.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:50 am to IowaCityTigerFan
I like the idea. Maybe this could be Coach Raymond's chance to be a Co-DC and get experience.
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