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re: Calling Tigerbaitlawyer back to the CC board to give some actual information
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:31 am to bstew3006
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:31 am to bstew3006
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you want to be critical of Play, go ahead, no problem with that. My problem is you consistently clinging to the this narrative that there is zero talent on this team
Please stop misrepresenting what I say or intentionally taking things out of context. If you want to have a conversation fine but as of right now we both know that you are lying. If you have to misrepresent me in an attempt to make a point your point isn't valid and lacks candor.
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:31 am to tigerbaitlawyer
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Most people need to realize this team was picked to win 5 or 6 wins.
TBL has been compromised by tNarrative
RIP
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:33 am to bencoleman
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In other words you don't have an answer. Why is that not surprising.
I literally answered the question. Seriously, are you mentally challenged?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:37 am to RB10
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I literally answered the question. Seriously, are you mentally challenged
You didn't literally do anything but that's normal for you and I didn't expect anything different. Have a great day.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:37 am to koLSU86
Yesterday I said this thread had become a dumpster fire. Today I am happy to retract and redefine my assessment: 
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:38 am to Captain Ron
Les hasn't been coach here in 3 years.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:41 am to bencoleman
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You didn't literally do anything but that's normal for you and I didn't expect anything different. Have a great day
So you are mentally challenged. Got it.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:44 am to bencoleman
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The man has not been allowed a certain period to get the right players to run his offense or any offense for that Matter.
Oh my God.
Other teams change offenses successfully on the drop of a dime; only at LSU do we have the years and years of installation. Such bullshite.
Example (and this isn't 100% on point, but still informative) -- Jalen Hurts' freshman season. Alabama, as memory serves had two white QBs, and Hurts ... I believe Hurts started the season 3rd string. By the first few games Saban decided the other QBs weren't going to cut it, and, he stuck Hurts in the lineup. Hurts had success. Jump forward to last year's NCG and he pulls Hurts for Tua at halftime.
Yes, I know, the margin of error at Alabama is much greater, and, changing QBs is not the same as changing offenses. However, I'd say Alabama has changed offensive philosophy over the past few years rather successfully, without a multiple year installation process that LSU apparently requires. Again, yes, they have a great defense every year that lessens the margin of error. But the point is, this years-to-install-a-system thing is ridiculous. Reminds me of Lou Tepper's defense that required FOUR YEARS to install!
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:45 am to bencoleman
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I want to know the actual reasons why the offense was putrid not some bullshite anti Steve argument.
There have been plenty of reasons and facts given that you ignore. He has never been successful as an OC, that's not debatable. When LSU fires a coach for underperforming offense and then promises the best OC and you get a man that has failed everytime, he will not and should not get benefit of doubt or TIME! Hire should have never been made. I do not blame SE for this, but he was put in a position that doesn't suit his strengths and it's pretty evident.
The scheme is bad, the playcalling is bad, the creativity is bad, adjustments are bad. Were there issues with the oline, ofcourse. But overall, it starts and stops with SE. If you cant watch the game and understand that, its on you and not on me or others to make you understand.
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but unlike you and others I don't criticize just to criticize
That's not what is happening! There are major issues on the offense, if you want to turn a blind eye on coaching and focus on players, be my guest! Unlike you I will not focus on players alone and criticize them to just criticize or cover up bad coaching. As you stated, you are giving benefit of doubt to the coach, who has failed numerous times as an OC, and not the players that were highly rated and very talented.
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There are plenty of anti O morons on this board. Mindless drones that follow the anti O narrative. You fit right in.
there are plenty! I was 100% against his hire! But since day 1 of him being named coach, I posted that you give 3 years and support him and was blasted. I want him to succeed bc that means LSU will succeed! I have said all along year 3 is his make or break year, if he sticks with SE as OC, I think its a sinking ship!
I like SE, just not the right man for the job! There has been plenty of facts of the mans career to back that up and have been posted multiple times. But you continue to ignore those facts and continue to say, "more time" "benefit of doubt"
Using the term "benefit of Doubt" proves you know he isn't the answer, but you've backed yourself in a corner and pride is keeping you there.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 11:24 am
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:45 am to TigerJeff
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Other teams change offenses successfully on the drop of a dime
Link?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:45 am to TigerJeff
And Ensminger was on Les' staff for how many years, as TE coach? We're to believe he was the missing link all those years, the QB whisperer, who didn't contribute to the offensive philosophy simply b/c he wasn't asked?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:46 am to bstew3006
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If there are "small changes", expect more of the same. Too many people are focused on exceeding Preaseason predictions of 6-6/7-5 and celebrating that, instead of focusing on the reality of the offense.
There needs to be a dramatic shift in the offense and there are underlying issues in the message from coaches to players that has handicapped this offense for 8-10 years. New faces and voices are needed from top to bottom on offensive staff, to make that change. Small tweaks wont get it done.
I cannot understand how people are 'satisfied' with getting more of the same.
LSU has had an offensive issue since 2009. That's 9 years. If nothing changes there is no reason to think LSU will not face a 10th year of ineffective offense.
How is anyone okay with the results LSU got in 2018? How is anyone defending standing pat and sticking with the status quo?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:50 am to bstew3006
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He's struggled at every stop to run an efficient offense. But you're right, lets give him more time. I'm sure he'll get it right
So you admit that you're not interested in giving the man time to get some more talent in place. Do you think that Emery and Davis add a dynamic that was sorely missing from the offensive line up?
How about some of the fresh blood on the offensive line?
Kardell? Bradford?
Do you believe that the offense will improve simply by having another year to work with the players he has now?
Is Joe Burrow going to be better?
He threw for 2500 yards and I think 12 TDs.
You admit that you don't believe that the man deserves a chance. Why hire somebody then not give them a chance to be successful?
We know that they're bringing somebody in so the argument really doesn't matter but I don't believe that what we saw this year was actually what Steve wanted to run. I believe that we saw what Steve felt he had to run due to personnel limitations.
I was upset by playcalling in several games this year but I've generally tried to give Steve the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:59 am to bencoleman
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So you admit that you're not interested in giving the man time to get some more talent in place. Do you think that Emery and Davis add a dynamic that was sorely missing from the offensive line up?
How about some of the fresh blood on the offensive line?
Kardell? Bradford?
sounds exactly like the Les era when we hoped better players could help a flawed scheme. What about steve's career as an OC gives you the kind of confidence you have in him?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:01 am to bencoleman
Charles. Traore. Lewis. Deculus. All highly-rated coming out of high school and JUCO. And others on the line as well. Simply not buying it.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:02 am to bencoleman
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Please stop misrepresenting what I say or intentionally taking things out of context
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Name NFL talent on the oline
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Name all of this talent we have
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None of them are all sec or all american
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Time to get right players
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doesn't have a pool of talent to work with
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Has much less to work with
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pointing out offensive talent isnt there
Ok, lets keep it in context! Your argument is that SE needs All Americans and all NFL talent to be successful. Ok, got it!
Hope we have it by next fall!
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:03 am to TigerJeff
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. Reminds me of Lou Tepper's defense that required FOUR YEARS to install
This is not what I meant at all. You can't possibly look at this offense from top to bottom and not see that there are obvious positions that could benefit from an injection of talent. Running back being one of them. Emery will be huge.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:12 am to TigerJeff
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Charles. Traore. Lewis. Deculus. All highly-rated coming out of high school and JUCO. And others on the line as well. Simply not buying
Traore isn't ready. He may never be good enough.
Charles is a converted guard. I don't think that he's athletic enough to play tackle but they really had no one else. He should go back to his original position.
Lewis is good.
I don't know what is going on with Deculus. He may be better suited at guard too. LSU went 9 and 3 without a left or right tackle. A minor miracle if you think about it.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:12 am to bencoleman
ben why did you go from saying you expected us to move on from Steve a few weeks ago to knighting for him now?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:12 am to bencoleman
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So you admit that you're not interested in giving the man time to get some more talent in place
YEP! Why? He's been an OC with "more talent" and failed. FACT!
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How about some of the fresh blood on the offensive line?
Thought you were complaining about not having all these seniors on the ol yesterday? If the fresh blodd doesn't improve is it give them time? just moving goal post.
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you believe that the offense will improve simply by having another year to work with the players he has now?
Gah damn, could it get worse?
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You admit that you don't believe that the man deserves a chance
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Why hire somebody then not give them a chance to be successful
His career showed he wasn't deserving of a chance. He was forced into a position that he wasn't suitable for!!
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I was upset by playcalling in several games this year but I've generally tried to give Steve the benefit of the doubt.
As you should have been! Past career results showed what was to come! I was rooting like hell for him preseason, giving benefit of doubt, but this season lived up to past results.
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